There are still unfurloughed pilots awaiting training to go back to the line.

 

Flow ah yes, let negotiate everything away ( what little we have ) for more flow. Yes let's do that, I'm for it. I need a laugh from the side lines.

 

Like there’s something we can negotiate here. We can’t f* win

 

When there is no clear path to a victory, sometimes its better to sit there an do nothing.

 

that doesn’t really address his question about CJO’s though, does it?

 

Eventually they’ll likely reach out to you to see if you’re still interested, I’d assume that comes sometime in the coming months, wouldn’t surprise me if they have some kind of refresher interview just to see where you’re at. Pilot hiring is coming back sooner than later, envoy just seems to be dragging their heels more than other carriers. Doesn’t negate the fact that hiring will likely return to someone resembling 2019 at some point this year. We’ll probably figure out more this month.

 

I have to disagree with the hiring coming back sooner rather than later. Like I said in my previous response, all the people that have been benched, however many of the approximately 225 come back, will need quite a bit of training time. Yes, there will be SOME hiring after that. But just like every other carrier, Envoy will be smaller. Roughly 80% of what it was. They are basically attritting down to that size. When they start hiring again, it will be for that continued attrition, with no real indication of growth for the foreseeable future. The whole industry will need to really start moving again to see the kind of attrition they had in the past. And a smaller Envoy also means less flow as flow is based on number of pilots on the seniority list. That is all part of the attrition-hiring equation. I just don’t see the kind of numbers Envoy was hiring for some time. I mean they were telling people to go to PSA.

 

The telling people to go to PSA seemed to have stopped, and speaking of PSA it took them 3 months to get over 700 pilots back through trading again. I think we can handle 224 in a timely manner while starting ground schools up again. Time will tell but from what I’m hearing it will be sooner than later. I don’t think we’ll quite be interviewing new candidates necessarily however cadets and those already with a CJO will likely be in a class this summer. But I think we’ll have a better understanding of that this month sometime.

Also should note, AAG were the ones who wanted some cadets at PSA since they needed the staffing and already dished out the money. Envoy obliged but controlled that number it seems. They didn’t send over too many just those with relatively high time.

 

Fair enough. I don’t know the numbers, but I don’t think PSA had 700 come back. That was the problem and why they needed the new hires so quickly.

 

This right here, a lot of those 700 guys and gals have moved on at PSA.