Envoy 2021: A New Hope
04-13-2021, 05:07 AM
#511
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
The lack of AOM knowledge is a reflection of the training department. AQP has enabled pilots to become lazy and not learn. How many new pilots could draw the hydraulic system and actually explain how it works? We are not AA and despite the dream to standardize everything with them, our training needs to be more robust because we are seeing a different type of pilot than them.
Your entire library of manuals at home is now always with you in the cockpit to be factually referenced if you have a situation out on the line. This is progress.
04-13-2021, 05:36 AM
#512
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Originally Posted by captive apple
There is no valid reason to be able to draw a system. Nice try. When that was required people only really knew it for the month around the PC then dumped it as they flew the line for the next five months anyway.
Your entire library of manuals at home is now always with you in the cockpit to be factually referenced if you have a situation out on the line. This is progress.
Your entire library of manuals at home is now always with you in the cockpit to be factually referenced if you have a situation out on the line. This is progress.
So on the E145, HYD SYS 1 FAIL with a L ENG FIRE EICAS pops on short final going into LGA, or even Key West... what about at 31L at JFK, any difference?
Are you landing or going around?
What systems are or aren't going to be available to you?
Do you really have time to look up the stuff on your EFB like you said?
Last edited by Cujo665; 04-13-2021 at 05:49 AM.
04-13-2021, 05:42 AM
#513
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Disagree vehemently. When "it" hits the fan is not the time to be looking up in an EFB how a system is laid out and operates. That's the time to be running the appropriate checklists, which BTW are designed to be run by somebody that understands the system. Not every event will have a checklist or memory item, and many events will be such that you need your system knowledge to not make things worse. If you can't be bothered to understand the systems on the ONLY type plane you are being paid to fly hundreds of passengers per day, then you have no business in the front end of the jet.
04-13-2021, 05:51 AM
#514
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Originally Posted by GrabNGoBag
They don't pay us enough to understand how the systems work on that level. Don't matter if we're carrying 10 or 300 people. Start paying us more and maybe we can learn the systems in depth.
04-13-2021, 06:45 AM
#515
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Most unprofessional post of the year right there.
04-13-2021, 06:47 AM
#516
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Originally Posted by GrabNGoBag
They don't pay us enough to understand how the systems work on that level. Don't matter if we're carrying 10 or 300 people. Start paying us more and maybe we can learn the systems in depth.
04-13-2021, 07:06 AM
#518
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Disagree vehemently. When "it" hits the fan is not the time to be looking up in an EFB how a system is laid out and operates. That's the time to be running the appropriate checklists, which BTW are designed to be run by somebody that understands the system. Not every event will have a checklist or memory item, and many events will be such that you need your system knowledge to not make things worse. If you can't be bothered to understand the systems on the ONLY type plane you are being paid to fly hundreds of passengers per day, then you have no business in the front end of the jet.
So on the E145, HYD SYS 1 FAIL with a L ENG FIRE EICAS pops on short final going into LGA, or even Key West... what about at 31L at JFK, any difference?
Are you landing or going around?
What systems are or aren't going to be available to you?
Do you really have time to look up the stuff on your EFB like you said?
So on the E145, HYD SYS 1 FAIL with a L ENG FIRE EICAS pops on short final going into LGA, or even Key West... what about at 31L at JFK, any difference?
Are you landing or going around?
What systems are or aren't going to be available to you?
Do you really have time to look up the stuff on your EFB like you said?
ok. I don’t agree with that either.
04-13-2021, 07:36 AM
#519
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Originally Posted by captive apple
There is no valid reason to be able to draw a system. Nice try. When that was required people only really knew it for the month around the PC then dumped it as they flew the line for the next five months anyway.
Your entire library of manuals at home is now always with you in the cockpit to be factually referenced if you have a situation out on the line. This is progress.
Your entire library of manuals at home is now always with you in the cockpit to be factually referenced if you have a situation out on the line. This is progress.
04-13-2021, 07:46 AM
#520
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
It's absolutely your responsibility to know your aircraft and how the thing works. Just knowing an EICAS message pops up isn't sufficient when you're on fire.
Oh so now you just need to know the systems and no longer need to draw it? Any other amendments? Hey guy, what oil filter does this bird use?
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