Envoy 2021: A New Hope
#521
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This post makes me think i'm going to be afraid to put my wife and kids on a plane 15 years from now...... I see more road trips in my families future.......
#522
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What? I have always looked at it of compensating me for what they ask me. The FOM or GOM will lay out what is it expected of you. That's what I do and not an inch more. I don't say hi to the TSA agent or gate agent since I'm not required to. Why do something if they're not going to pay you for it?
A. You’re not “required” to say hi to anyone, it’s just courtesy. If you need to be paid to be courteous, you must be a treat to be around.
B. As for your comment on not bothering to learn systems, because they don’t pay you enough, I agree with Cujo, SUPER unprofessional. I’m guessing it’s not actually true, and you are just trolling, but if that really is true, you probably shouldn’t be an airline pilot.
You don’t just get paid to fly. We all love to fly. They wouldn’t have to pay me, even what ENY pays me to do it. You get paid to be a professional in addition to just having an ATP. If that means you have to occasionally study more than just the questions you know will be on the test... so be it.
I’ll also add that the training dept should require/encourage us to know our planes better, but that’s not an excuse.
#523
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So on the E145, HYD SYS 1 FAIL with a L ENG FIRE EICAS pops on short final going into LGA, or even Key West... what about at 31L at JFK, any difference?
Are you landing or going around?
What systems are or aren't going to be available to you?
Do you really have time to look up the stuff on your EFB like you said?
So on the E145, HYD SYS 1 FAIL with a L ENG FIRE EICAS pops on short final going into LGA, or even Key West... what about at 31L at JFK, any difference?
Are you landing or going around?
What systems are or aren't going to be available to you?
Do you really have time to look up the stuff on your EFB like you said?
#524
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Joined: Apr 2021
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This feels like troll territory, but I’ll bite...
A. You’re not “required” to say hi to anyone, it’s just courtesy. If you need to be paid to be courteous, you must be a treat to be around.
B. As for your comment on not bothering to learn systems, because they don’t pay you enough, I agree with Cujo, SUPER unprofessional. I’m guessing it’s not actually true, and you are just trolling, but if that really is true, you probably shouldn’t be an airline pilot.
You don’t just get paid to fly. We all love to fly. They wouldn’t have to pay me, even what ENY pays me to do it. You get paid to be a professional in addition to just having an ATP. If that means you have to occasionally study more than just the questions you know will be on the test... so be it.
I’ll also add that the training dept should require/encourage us to know our planes better, but that’s not an excuse.
A. You’re not “required” to say hi to anyone, it’s just courtesy. If you need to be paid to be courteous, you must be a treat to be around.
B. As for your comment on not bothering to learn systems, because they don’t pay you enough, I agree with Cujo, SUPER unprofessional. I’m guessing it’s not actually true, and you are just trolling, but if that really is true, you probably shouldn’t be an airline pilot.
You don’t just get paid to fly. We all love to fly. They wouldn’t have to pay me, even what ENY pays me to do it. You get paid to be a professional in addition to just having an ATP. If that means you have to occasionally study more than just the questions you know will be on the test... so be it.
I’ll also add that the training dept should require/encourage us to know our planes better, but that’s not an excuse.
More importantly, it's sad to hear you say you'd do this JOB for free since you enjoy flying that much. This attitude is what managment uses to Nickle and Dime us to no end because they know it's a passion we all share. They might say we're professionals, but I sure as h*ell don't feel like it when I see my paychecks.
#525
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No trolling here sir. You're all over the place with this response. I never said I don't have systems knowledge. As mentioned, I know what the FOM and AOMs contain and expect me to know; this is what I am paid to understand, so I do no more than this.
More importantly, it's sad to hear you say you'd do this JOB for free since you enjoy flying that much. This attitude is what managment uses to Nickle and Dime us to no end because they know it's a passion we all share. They might say we're professionals, but I sure as h*ell don't feel like it when I see my paychecks
They don't pay us enough to understand how the systems work on that level. Don't matter if we're carrying 10 or 300 people. Start paying us more and maybe we can learn the systems in depth.
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More importantly, it's sad to hear you say you'd do this JOB for free since you enjoy flying that much. This attitude is what managment uses to Nickle and Dime us to no end because they know it's a passion we all share. They might say we're professionals, but I sure as h*ell don't feel like it when I see my paychecks
They don't pay us enough to understand how the systems work on that level. Don't matter if we're carrying 10 or 300 people. Start paying us more and maybe we can learn the systems in depth.
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As for flying for free... If I had all the money in the world, I’d still enjoy flying airplanes. The JOB part is flying where I’m told, when I’m told, being responsible for other people’s lives, being away from my kids, missing birthdays, etc. If the job description was “Whenever you feel like it, go grab a jet and putz around for a few hours with no responsibilities” then yes I’d probably do that for free.
#526
What? I have always looked at it of compensating me for what they ask me. The FOM or GOM will lay out what is it expected of you. That's what I do and not an inch more. I don't say hi to the TSA agent or gate agent since I'm not required to. Why do something if they're not going to pay you for it?
Last I checked there’s No such thing as a FOM or GOM at Envoy... it been called something else for decades. As we and others have said, all regionals are not the same. You’ve proved it yet again. Which contractor outfit are you with?
Last edited by Cujo665; 04-13-2021 at 11:25 AM.
#527
If you can draw it, you know how it works. If you can answer questions, you’ve at least read the gouge, memorized answers, but may have zero actual understanding of the system.
#528
#529
How many documented cases of having three green landing gear indications yet not having any gear legs extended at all were there until it happened right at Eagle/Envoy?
Your attitude is terrible for a supposed professional pilot.
Your attitude is terrible for a supposed professional pilot.
#530
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and it was just a question. Nice of you to get all butt hurt about it and calling me a terrible pilot.
im glad to see we go back and you know me so well.
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