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Old 06-03-2021 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
Again, I completely understand, and an organization with deep pockets like AAG can easily break a contract with a force majeure clause in the time of a national pandemic. The contracts should have been suspended while real envoy pilots were thrown on the street. Keeping cadets and giving them health care, D2 travel, and accruing vacation/sick while actual employees were furloughed was an absolute slap in the face. This is why I have no use for the cadet program.
The problem with doing that is they had already payed them signing bonuses, so by suspending the contract they’d likely lose a good portion of them and the money. As opposed to just maintaining the program for a year and getting their eventual return on investment. The program it’s self is very cheap to operate and relatively self sufficient. There’d be more long term negative effects for the company by ending the program, even if it wasn’t fair.
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Old 06-03-2021 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
not flying? All of them, they’ve been in training for anywhere from 1 to 3 weeks now
My fault for phrasing it badly.

How many pilots that had been furloughed previously are currently in training, so not yet requalified to fly? Looking for a rough number.
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Old 06-03-2021 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
My fault for phrasing it badly.

How many pilots that had been furloughed previously are currently in training, so not yet requalified to fly? Looking for a rough number.
Somewhere around 45 of 220+ are in training. A ways to go to get them all back. Hopefully by August.
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Old 06-03-2021 | 04:50 PM
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Somewhere around 45 of 220+ are in training. A ways to go to get them all back. Hopefully by August.
I was a new hire in february of last year with a class date of beginning of april. I just got called back to do the interview process all over again. They were saying us new hires would more than likely be in class around Q4 of this year. But no more sign on bonus.
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Old 06-03-2021 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyBoy0112
I was a new hire in february of last year with a class date of beginning of april. I just got called back to do the interview process all over again. They were saying us new hires would more than likely be in class around Q4 of this year. But no more sign on bonus.
It stinks that they are making you interview again. I get a new PRIA, background check, etc., but why interview?
I’m also amazed that they are going to try to staff this airline through the end of the year without new blood. We are going to be JM’d left and right.
They’ll only bring back the bonus if they can’t find applicants. Frankly, that makes sense to me. Why pay bonuses if people are walking in the door without them?
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Old 06-03-2021 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by But seriously
Frankly, that makes sense to me. Why pay bonuses if people are walking in the door without them?
this should not last long, specially with Endeavor upping up their game and the attrition we are seeing at theVoy. Remember they are reactive not proactive
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Old 06-03-2021 | 06:38 PM
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wnat attrition? We’ve lost what..100-150 people over the last year??
haven’t seen numbers from alpa in this regard, you would know since you have access to it. All I see is people every week posting on fb that they are going elsewhere, u see a few RE on reserve list every so often etc.. it’d be nice to see some actual numbers from alpa. maybe % of CJO’s coming back to envoy
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Old 06-03-2021 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
wnat attrition? We’ve lost what..100-150 people over the last year??
You don’t call that attrition? Considering the number of pilots that were taken off active flying and would have been furloughed if not for the government dole. Only cargo was hiring and only recently were the ULLCs the first to start hiring of the pax carriers.

The only reason Envoy isn’t even more under staffed is because of the number of aircraft retired from service and AAG giving more flying to Skywest.
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Old 06-03-2021 | 08:20 PM
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haven’t seen numbers from alpa in this regard, you would know since you have access to it. All I see is people every week posting on fb that they are going elsewhere, u see a few RE on reserve list every so often etc.. it’d be nice to see some actual numbers from alpa. maybe % of CJO’s coming back to envoy
ALPA posts them under the "files" section of the base Facebook page.
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Old 06-03-2021 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
ALPA posts them under the "files" section of the base Facebook page.
These files should also be on the eagle.alpa.org website. As far as I know, a Facebook page(where management spies on) is not our primary communication source. I see more information being posted on fb pages than on our website or emails.
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