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Old 05-29-2021, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
But if the class is nothing but cadets, you better have been a cadet a LONG time. 🤣
If the cadet was smart, he/she may call in to figure out how many cadets are in the class, if the odds are not favorable, move back a class or two.

Normally you never sacrifice seniority, but being seat locked unless you upgrade doesn’t make the seniority list carry the weight it should. This sounds like your seniority at new hire class jeopardizes your entire QOL at Envoy. It shouldn’t work like that.
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Old 05-29-2021, 02:52 PM
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If the cadet was smart, he/she may call in to figure out how many cadets are in the class, if the odds are not favorable, move back a class or two.

Normally you never sacrifice seniority, but being seat locked unless you upgrade doesn’t make the seniority list carry the weight it should. This sounds like your seniority at new hire class jeopardizes your entire QOL at Envoy. It shouldn’t work like that.
That’s the way it is anywhere. You could be hired at a mainline and it was a crap shoot as to what airframes and bases are available. Wide body international and maybe live in base or narrow body and have to commute.

But yes, normally not seat locked until upgrade.
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Old 05-29-2021, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
That’s the way it is anywhere. You could be hired at a mainline and it was a crap shoot as to what airframes and bases are available. Wide body international and maybe live in base or narrow body and have to commute.

But yes, normally not seat locked until upgrade.
Yeah that’s unfortunately true as well.
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Old 05-29-2021, 05:40 PM
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I’d give even money that anyone getting placed on the 145 right now will get displaced off by the time a “typical” 24mo seatlock would be up anyway. They are staffing it to meet current demand, but the fleet is generally slated to shrink.
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Originally Posted by coodrough568 View Post
well the cadets will certainly be relieved to read this
Except those senior to them will PDIS over them and go to the heavy leaving them cadets to suffer longer on the 145. It’s a beautiful system.
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Old 05-29-2021, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211 View Post
Envoy will have to stop hiring...they are in violation of a section 7.
Care to elaborate?
I'm not sure what you are talking about.
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I’d give even money that anyone getting placed on the 145 right now will get displaced off by the time a “typical” 24mo seatlock would be up anyway. They are staffing it to meet current demand, but the fleet is generally slated to shrink.
I agree the long term plan was to shrink the 145 fleet, but not sure how much more very soon. That would mean either shrinking Envoy even more or buying more 170s. And I do mean 170s, not 175s. With AAG selling the last six new ones to Republic and Skywest flying another 25, I don’t know how many more large RJs, if any they can add. There aren’t that many 170s out there and AAG just isn’t in the new plane buying mode.
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 View Post
Except those senior to them will PDIS over them and go to the heavy leaving them cadets to suffer longer on the 145. It’s a beautiful system.
Just wanted to quote this to bring it onto the next page, incase someone's breathing deep on that hopium lmao
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Old 05-30-2021, 07:23 AM
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tbh if you can't fly the 145 you have no business being an airline pilot anyway, it's not that hard

I no longer fly the type but when I sense weakness I compulsively hit the v/s button, even if im pilot monitoring and regardless of what's going on
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Old 05-30-2021, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568 View Post
really me and every other pilot at ENY sees these cadets got too spoiled and entitled thinking they will get whatever they want. People used to make $12 an hour to handfly a Jetstream for 8 hours a day. Get over yourselves. You’ll be lucky to have a job. Look at it that way and you’ll be happier. This industry is rough
For what it's worth it was the new generation of pilots saying no to pay and quality of life like that that led to the regionals not being able to fill classes which forced them to increase pay and QOL.

Airlines should have to compete with each other to fill classes, that's what is best for all pilots.
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