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Old 06-02-2021 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
my.envoyair.com/pilotfurlough has the class numbers. They have a lot more to go. Not even halfway done getting them back in class.

Interesting how they’d start new hire indoc classes then while there’s much more to recall. I think their intention is all cadet classes in the beginning.
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Old 06-02-2021 | 12:58 PM
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Actually the true irony would be if they mix a few new cadets in each class with the returning seniority list pilots. Then the cadets will be at the end of the equipment bid.

And I’m sure the returning pilots won’t mind a little bit more paid time off if it means there will be new hires below them on reserve by the time they finish training.
That would be enjoyable to see the golden children relegated to the 145. It would be the fitting end to the story after all the compensation they have received over the past year for doing nothing and keeping their jobs while actual envoy pilots were sent to the street.
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Old 06-02-2021 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
That would be enjoyable to see the golden children relegated to the 145. It would be the fitting end to the story after all the compensation they have received over the past year for doing nothing and keeping their jobs while actual envoy pilots were sent to the street.
Do you have any idea how the cadet program works?
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Old 06-02-2021 | 07:41 PM
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Do you have any idea how the cadet program works?
i know the company spent money on cadets while we had 228 on the street, and that’s not okay
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Old 06-02-2021 | 07:45 PM
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Do you have any idea how the cadet program works?
Yup. And if they slot them into classes with furloughs who are returning and above them in seniority then the cadets will be below them and have zero shot at the 175.
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Old 06-02-2021 | 08:15 PM
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About how many furloughees are still not flying?
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Old 06-03-2021 | 05:52 AM
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Management can lead you to toxicity because it’s easy. This is toxic.
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Old 06-03-2021 | 06:50 AM
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Yup. And if they slot them into classes with furloughs who are returning and above them in seniority then the cadets will be below them and have zero shot at the 175.
No ish. I don’t think you understand how the cadet program works though. They’re just contract employees. They get paid by envoy and then envoy bills the flight schools. Envoy has a contract with those schools and can’t just stop paying them.
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Old 06-03-2021 | 07:10 AM
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No ish. I don’t think you understand how the cadet program works though. They’re just contract employees. They get paid by envoy and then envoy bills the flight schools. Envoy has a contract with those schools and can’t just stop paying them.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul 🤔
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Old 06-03-2021 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Crimson37Roger
No ish. I don’t think you understand how the cadet program works though. They’re just contract employees. They get paid by envoy and then envoy bills the flight schools. Envoy has a contract with those schools and can’t just stop paying them.
Again, I completely understand, and an organization with deep pockets like AAG can easily break a contract with a force majeure clause in the time of a national pandemic. The contracts should have been suspended while real envoy pilots were thrown on the street. Keeping cadets and giving them health care, D2 travel, and accruing vacation/sick while actual employees were furloughed was an absolute slap in the face. This is why I have no use for the cadet program.
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