Envoy questions
#11
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1. All the lower day off lines (11-13) are 95% 4 on, with varying amounts of days off but (almost?) never less than 2 between trips. Higher day off trips a mix of 3 and 4 days on. Highest day off lines (17+) are 1 or 2 day on trips. Often they are arranged together, though. 1on + 2on, then 3 off. etc.
Line break down ORD (80 Lines, June 2022):
11 Days off: 10 (12.5%)
12 Days off: 20 (25%)
13 Days off: 12 (15%)
14 Days off: 12 (15%)
15 Days off: 20 (25%)
16 Days off: 1
19 Days off: 2
(I know that doesn't add up to 80, but its close)
2. Approx. DOH of most junior line holder (June 2022):
DFW 175 FO Sep 2021
ORD 175 FO Oct 2021
MIA 175 FO Aug 2021
3. Last few class awards:
6/13/22: 15 DFW, 1 MIA
5/30/22: 21 DFW, 11 MIA
5/16/22: 8 DFW, 21 MIA
Moving bases:
A pilot hired in Feb 2022 was awarded MIA 175 effective Jul 2022. He came out of training in June having originally been awarded ORD 175. Base transfers are done during vacancy bids, which are offered roughly 4 times a year.
4. In December vacation is handed out based on years of service for use the following year. Pilots with less than 1 year seniority receive 1.167 days of vacation per month for amount of months served. Pilots hired on or before the 15th of a month will have that month credited towards vacation accrual.
After 1 year: 1 Week
After 2 years: 2 Weeks
After 7 years: 3 Weeks
After 14 years: 4 Weeks
Line break down ORD (80 Lines, June 2022):
11 Days off: 10 (12.5%)
12 Days off: 20 (25%)
13 Days off: 12 (15%)
14 Days off: 12 (15%)
15 Days off: 20 (25%)
16 Days off: 1
19 Days off: 2
(I know that doesn't add up to 80, but its close)
2. Approx. DOH of most junior line holder (June 2022):
DFW 175 FO Sep 2021
ORD 175 FO Oct 2021
MIA 175 FO Aug 2021
3. Last few class awards:
6/13/22: 15 DFW, 1 MIA
5/30/22: 21 DFW, 11 MIA
5/16/22: 8 DFW, 21 MIA
Moving bases:
A pilot hired in Feb 2022 was awarded MIA 175 effective Jul 2022. He came out of training in June having originally been awarded ORD 175. Base transfers are done during vacancy bids, which are offered roughly 4 times a year.
4. In December vacation is handed out based on years of service for use the following year. Pilots with less than 1 year seniority receive 1.167 days of vacation per month for amount of months served. Pilots hired on or before the 15th of a month will have that month credited towards vacation accrual.
After 1 year: 1 Week
After 2 years: 2 Weeks
After 7 years: 3 Weeks
After 14 years: 4 Weeks
#12
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Very likely that MIA is an option as a new hire. If not, probably only a few months. Just depends on when you are hired in relation to the bids as explained above. Bids are quarterly but the actual transfers are done monthly and spread out based on, you guessed it, seniority.
#14
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Very likely that MIA is an option as a new hire. If not, probably only a few months. Just depends on when you are hired in relation to the bids as explained above. Bids are quarterly but the actual transfers are done monthly and spread out based on, you guessed it, seniority.
#16
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Long call won’t be implemented until October schedule, but you can be certain it will go senior and depending on staffing will likely cause some pilots that are more senior to bid reserve instead of a line. Up side of that is someone senior enough to hold a line that bids reserve will free up a line for someone lower.
#17
Long call won’t be implemented until October schedule, but you can be certain it will go senior and depending on staffing will likely cause some pilots that are more senior to bid reserve instead of a line. Up side of that is someone senior enough to hold a line that bids reserve will free up a line for someone lower.
#19
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Position: Resigned
Posts: 1,547
2. Varies. Some people wait a few weeks, others go w/in a couple days.
3. Yes, most people are doing 72-80 hours per month.
#20
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 59
Is there a wait to upgrade? I have prior time and would be ready to upgrade sooner.
How is seniority determined within a new class? Are most people getting the 175?
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