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Old 06-30-2022, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
What specifically do you want to know?

Specifically the “temporary” pay rates (as APC puts it).
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Old 07-01-2022, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ENH017 View Post
1. All the lower day off lines (11-13) are 95% 4 on, with varying amounts of days off but (almost?) never less than 2 between trips. Higher day off trips a mix of 3 and 4 days on. Highest day off lines (17+) are 1 or 2 day on trips. Often they are arranged together, though. 1on + 2on, then 3 off. etc.

Line break down ORD (80 Lines, June 2022):
11 Days off: 10 (12.5%)
12 Days off: 20 (25%)
13 Days off: 12 (15%)
14 Days off: 12 (15%)
15 Days off: 20 (25%)
16 Days off: 1
19 Days off: 2

(I know that doesn't add up to 80, but its close)
Ok let’s talk about days off and schedules. The frustrating part that wasn’t mentioned is C/O or carry over. This little thing will take your 14 day off line down to 11 days off. Or it will take an 11 day off line down to 8 or 9 days off.

Carry over is a trip that starts in one month and ends in another month.

If you go from 14 days off to 11 then that is just frustrating. However if you bid for a conflict that drops you below 11 days off you get a “return day” that month or the next month. Simply put you get to move that day off and get paid for it.

This is why line bidding sucks.

Also, you only get that many trips when there are 31 days in the month. So when you see 25% getting 15 days off then translate that to 4 4day trips. Compared to a 14 day off line with 5 4day trips and three of those days are carry over.

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Old 07-01-2022, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 160to4 View Post
Have we mentioned what happens after August 2024? I can’t find a definitive answer
Off the top of my head, there is language in the extension to allow the company discretion to keep the flex rate in whatever percentage they think necessary.

While AA think this shortage event will last two years, UA forecasts longer. Either way, good luck putting the pay genie back into the bottle as the regionals collapse.
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Old 07-01-2022, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Ihavenoidea View Post
Would anyone here leave a ULCC for the voy now? I’ve only been at my ULCC for 5 months and was thinking about going back to the regionals for 121 PIC with the hopes of getting on at a legacy. Terrible idea or no?
You want to go backwards? Longevity at a company also means something to interviewers. You going to skip town every time a better pay scale comes out? Go forward, not back.

What major still requires PIC? My two cents.
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Old 07-01-2022, 12:40 PM
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You want to go backwards? Longevity at a company also means something to interviewers. You going to skip town every time a better pay scale comes out? Go forward, not back.

What major still requires PIC? My two cents.
FDX still requires it and I know some guys are getting picked up at legacies without TPIC but they are definitely not the majority.
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Originally Posted by 160to4 View Post
Have we mentioned what happens after August 2024? I can’t find a definitive answer
Aug 2024 the 50% “short staff” premium goes away. It can be continued but depends what the industry is doing by then. I posted the rates without the premium after this was announced. You can search my posts to find them if you want to see what they will be.
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Originally Posted by at6d View Post
You want to go backwards? Longevity at a company also means something to interviewers. You going to skip town every time a better pay scale comes out? Go forward, not back.

What major still requires PIC? My two cents.
The hiring climate WILL change again, in the next two years. Majors may not change the requirements again to have TPIC and a degree but when things start getting competitive again you don’t want to be caught short of where you want to be and not have the qualifications to get there.

There have been a lot of pilots stuck somewhere because they didn’t get a box checked and the world turned upside down. Those who ignore history often have to learn it the hard way.
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Old 07-05-2022, 12:47 PM
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Anybody seen CR700 lately since the raises and work rules changes.

Can you say “I told you so…..”
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Old 07-05-2022, 03:17 PM
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Anybody seen CR700 lately since the raises and work rules changes.

Can you say “I told you so…..”
I thought Envoy stopped flying the CRJ. Did I miss something?
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Old 07-05-2022, 03:32 PM
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I thought Envoy stopped flying the CRJ. Did I miss something?

I guessed “CR700” is a user name
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