Envoy questions
#32
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1. All the lower day off lines (11-13) are 95% 4 on, with varying amounts of days off but (almost?) never less than 2 between trips. Higher day off trips a mix of 3 and 4 days on. Highest day off lines (17+) are 1 or 2 day on trips. Often they are arranged together, though. 1on + 2on, then 3 off. etc.
Line break down ORD (80 Lines, June 2022):
11 Days off: 10 (12.5%)
12 Days off: 20 (25%)
13 Days off: 12 (15%)
14 Days off: 12 (15%)
15 Days off: 20 (25%)
16 Days off: 1
19 Days off: 2
(I know that doesn't add up to 80, but its close)
Line break down ORD (80 Lines, June 2022):
11 Days off: 10 (12.5%)
12 Days off: 20 (25%)
13 Days off: 12 (15%)
14 Days off: 12 (15%)
15 Days off: 20 (25%)
16 Days off: 1
19 Days off: 2
(I know that doesn't add up to 80, but its close)
Carry over is a trip that starts in one month and ends in another month.
If you go from 14 days off to 11 then that is just frustrating. However if you bid for a conflict that drops you below 11 days off you get a “return day” that month or the next month. Simply put you get to move that day off and get paid for it.
This is why line bidding sucks.
Also, you only get that many trips when there are 31 days in the month. So when you see 25% getting 15 days off then translate that to 4 4day trips. Compared to a 14 day off line with 5 4day trips and three of those days are carry over.
Last edited by LivinMyBestLife; 07-01-2022 at 03:43 AM.
#33
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
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While AA think this shortage event will last two years, UA forecasts longer. Either way, good luck putting the pay genie back into the bottle as the regionals collapse.
#34
What major still requires PIC? My two cents.
#35
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Joined APC: Oct 2018
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FDX still requires it and I know some guys are getting picked up at legacies without TPIC but they are definitely not the majority.
#36
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Aug 2024 the 50% “short staff” premium goes away. It can be continued but depends what the industry is doing by then. I posted the rates without the premium after this was announced. You can search my posts to find them if you want to see what they will be.
#37
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There have been a lot of pilots stuck somewhere because they didn’t get a box checked and the world turned upside down. Those who ignore history often have to learn it the hard way.
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