Envoy questions
07-08-2022, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Concorde001
No PRIA for airlines worked at over 5 years ago, correct? Just FAA.
I got out of the airlines almost 7 years ago, I got an add in the mail from Envoy advertising the new rates and perks. Does this mean they don't have enough candidates? Probably NOT!
I got out of the airlines almost 7 years ago, I got an add in the mail from Envoy advertising the new rates and perks. Does this mean they don't have enough candidates? Probably NOT!
07-08-2022, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AerChungus
They forced me to send a PRIA to my skydive dropzone... they were adamant that they wanted to send one to every place I had worked as a pilot
07-09-2022, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Concorde001
No PRIA for airlines worked at over 5 years ago, correct? Just FAA.
I got out of the airlines almost 7 years ago, I got an add in the mail from Envoy advertising the new rates and perks. Does this mean they don't have enough candidates? Probably NOT!
I got out of the airlines almost 7 years ago, I got an add in the mail from Envoy advertising the new rates and perks. Does this mean they don't have enough candidates? Probably NOT!
07-09-2022, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Ozymandias
Could mean they need more candidates. Could also mean something else. But, offering CJO's without interviewing people would strongly suggest desperation.
07-09-2022, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Planegeek
Well I’m a couple months out of getting my cjo and just over 1 month since requesting a class date. As of now classes (for non 121) seem to be suspended indefinitely.
Originally Posted by flightvector
From what I was told after talking to them today was that there is no delay for class. They have opening availability. The only delay they see is sometimes PRIA records take long to get in from the FAA or employers. So that could be 3-8 weeks.
So anyone have an idea which one it is?
07-09-2022, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by planejoe
So anyone have an idea which one it is?
These are two separate situations. The top is an applicant who has no 121 time (airline). The bottom is an applicant coming from another airline.
Envoy seems to be prioritizing applicants with previous 121 time atm. That’s a bucket that will have a bottom. I know better than to make a prediction how deep/long. At some point all the pilots willing to jump from another airline to Envoy will have made their choice and then Envoy will be back to normal just getting/taking new ATP/rATP applicants.
My guess is- fill each class with as many 121 and take any pre-121 to fill empty seats at the last minute. Which means pre-121 with CJO’s might be getting calls more in line with “hey we have an opening for class next week can you make it?” Just guessing.
07-09-2022, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DocMcFly
These are two separate situations. The top is an applicant who has no 121 time (airline). The bottom is an applicant coming from another airline.
Envoy seems to be prioritizing applicants with previous 121 time atm. That’s a bucket that will have a bottom. I know better than to make a prediction how deep/long. At some point all the pilots willing to jump from another airline to Envoy will have made their choice and then Envoy will be back to normal just getting/taking new ATP/rATP applicants.
My guess is- fill each class with as many 121 and take any pre-121 to fill empty seats at the last minute. Which means pre-121 with CJO’s might be getting calls more in line with “hey we have an opening for class next week can you make it?” Just guessing.
Envoy seems to be prioritizing applicants with previous 121 time atm. That’s a bucket that will have a bottom. I know better than to make a prediction how deep/long. At some point all the pilots willing to jump from another airline to Envoy will have made their choice and then Envoy will be back to normal just getting/taking new ATP/rATP applicants.
My guess is- fill each class with as many 121 and take any pre-121 to fill empty seats at the last minute. Which means pre-121 with CJO’s might be getting calls more in line with “hey we have an opening for class next week can you make it?” Just guessing.
The waiting sucks for those in the low time category but the strategy makes sense.
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07-09-2022, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA
The idea is all these previous 121 people can become captains quicker than an off the street, zero qualifying time individual. One needs 1000 hours of 121 time to become lawfully PIC capable. The net result will be more captains quicker instead of the allowing anyone and everyone to start. This then means they can hire even more low qualifying time folks in the long run.
The waiting sucks for those in the low time category but the strategy makes sense.
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07-09-2022, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
I mostly agree, but a lot of the problems Envoy has with staffing results from completely putting the brakes on hiring all together or even a certain type of candidates. I know they are knee jerk reaction and putting out fires but they really should keep a few more cadet/ots hires coming in or there will be another hole in the seniority list down the road.
There very well might be a hole. If Envoy gets the reputation that they are blowing off all the pre-121 applicants, they’ll stop applying. Then the 121 time applicants dry up because they will at some point. Then Envoy has to start going after pre-121 again. This stuff can’t turn around overnight. There’s the hole.
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