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Old 05-30-2015 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
what losers, cant even pick it up.
We did pick it up. Those pilots are probably our newest DECs. Welcome aboard!!

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Old 05-30-2015 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
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PSA Airlines | PSA Airline's Fleet Growth Schedule- Updated | February 26, 2015

We're supposed to have one in May. Who's the troll now?
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Looking at PSA Airlines | PSA Airline's Fleet Growth Schedule- Updated | February 26, 2015 and PSA Airlines | PSA Fleet Growth | October 22, 2015

So while the overall growth for PSA has increased by a total of 24 aircraft there has been a significant slowdown in the transfer of CRJ700s from Envoy to PSA.

In 2015 there will be 5 less transferred than originally scheduled
In 2016 there will be 11 less aircraft transferred than originally scheduled
In 2017 there will be 13 more transferred than originally scheduled

From November 2015 till August 2016 there will be no transfers of CRJ700 aircraft from Envoy to PSA, but they are scheduled to resume in Sept 2016.

Again this is based on PSA continuing to be able to Staff all of their flying. I've seen it mentioned on here a couple of times but what really counts for new hires isn't the number that are showing up for class, but how many are actually completing training. You could have a 100 new hires every day starting class but if only 1 is able to successfully complete training it is only 1 additional pilot.

It sounds like PSA's classes are 25-30 people every two weeks. But it also appears that the pass rate is around 80% (20-24).

Even though Envoy is losing the CRJ is the long term in the short term they will have to begin upgrades soon.
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Old 05-30-2015 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jdflyer1999
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Looking at PSA Airlines | PSA Airline's Fleet Growth Schedule- Updated | February 26, 2015 and PSA Airlines | PSA Fleet Growth | October 22, 2015

So while the overall growth for PSA has increased by a total of 24 aircraft there has been a significant slowdown in the transfer of CRJ700s from Envoy to PSA.

In 2015 there will be 5 less transferred than originally scheduled
In 2016 there will be 11 less aircraft transferred than originally scheduled
In 2017 there will be 13 more transferred than originally scheduled

From November 2015 till August 2016 there will be no transfers of CRJ700 aircraft from Envoy to PSA, but they are scheduled to resume in Sept 2016.

Again this is based on PSA continuing to be able to Staff all of their flying. I've seen it mentioned on here a couple of times but what really counts for new hires isn't the number that are showing up for class, but how many are actually completing training. You could have a 100 new hires every day starting class but if only 1 is able to successfully complete training it is only 1 additional pilot.

It sounds like PSA's classes are 25-30 people every two weeks. But it also appears that the pass rate is around 80% (20-24).

Even though Envoy is losing the CRJ is the long term in the short term they will have to begin upgrades soon.
You do realize that the transfers stop between November 2015 and August 2016 because that's when the deliveries of the 900's begin again? This was already announced months ago. It has nothing to do with staffing. The schedule was altered to maintain a schedule of 3 new aircraft per month.

I apologize that the facts don't meet your narrative.

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Old 05-30-2015 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
We did pick it up. Those pilots are probably our newest DECs. Welcome aboard!!

Good Luck.
not with an envoy flight number, you did not pick up. Yes welcome aboard SS AAG the sinking ship.
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Old 05-30-2015 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
Read the agreement on the previous page. That doesn't just go away..
....unless Envoy is dissolved and no "successor" exists. It is a settelemet of a contractual grievance and a product of a valid CBA. IF AAG dissolves Envoy, there is no more CBA and this addition to the CBA does not survive the CBA itself. No Envoy, no CBA between a non existent carrier and a non existent pilot group.
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Old 05-30-2015 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by air101
I apologize that the facts don't meet your narrative.
Did you actually read the post?

You must of missed this part:
From November 2015 till August 2016 there will be no transfers of CRJ700 aircraft from Envoy to PSA, but they are scheduled to resume in Sept 2016.
Did you not look at the PDF showing the shift in aircraft deliveries?
Did you not read that the total number of aircraft is increasing from 126 to 150? Again in the PDF.

None of my statements said that the transfers were being delayed because of staffing.

My statements on staffing did say this:
... this is based on PSA continuing to be able to Staff all of their flying.
Oh and BTW your own company calculations shows 3 less CRJ700's being transfered than initially announced.

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Old 05-30-2015 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
....unless Envoy is dissolved and no "successor" exists. It is a settelemet of a contractual grievance and a product of a valid CBA. IF AAG dissolves Envoy, there is no more CBA and this addition to the CBA does not survive the CBA itself. No Envoy, no CBA between a non existent carrier and a non existent pilot group.
And now Envoy is going away? I must of missed that announcement.

Oh and BTW it's settlement not settelemet.
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Old 05-30-2015 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
We did pick it up. Those pilots are probably our newest DECs. Welcome aboard!!

Good Luck.
Troll Troll Troll. Still just amazed. In flightaware it's ENY9801 which last time anyone checked was Envoy.

It would have to start with JIA for it to be operated by PSA pilots.
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Old 05-30-2015 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jdflyer1999
And now Envoy is going away? I must of missed that announcement.
I didn't say that. Learn to read. As I stated previously, all they would have to do is threaten to do that an you can be sure Envoy ALPA will crumble and so will the pilot group.

Originally Posted by jdflyer1999
Oh and BTW it's settlement not settelemet.
Oh and BTW, shouldn't there be a comma after BTW above and shouldn't you have stated it as " I must HAVE missed that announcement" ?
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Old 05-30-2015 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Oh and BTW, shouldn't there be a comma after BTW above and shouldn't you have stated it as " I must HAVE missed that announcement" ?
Yes and Yes. However, either your phone or computer should have underlined the misspelling.

You said.
Originally Posted by eaglefly
....unless Envoy is dissolved and no "successor" exists.
However there has not been any announcements stating that Envoy would be closing, so the point is mute at this point.
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