You guys aren't exactly a bunch of top guns over there. I know of two guys that didn't make it through training at PSA and both got offers from Envoy a few weeks later (they both turned Envoy down one for AWAC and one for RAH). Don't kid yourself, there isn't anything special about you except the large amount of narcissism.

 

Because it's another Envoy myth. You are wrong by the way, as they have and will take such types before, now, and in the future. Don't give me that "we hire for AA" crap either...all 3 wholly-owned American Eagle carriers do that. If you don't like it, please apply for CEO.

 

What are you babbling about ?

Where in any of that did I say anything about being a captain ? The "street new-hires" required are ENVOY new-hires to replace those flowing to AA and leaving for elsewhere.

I post to dispute the false claims of others presently at Envoy (and to correct the irrational ones of others ). To consider that " bashing" is as incoherent as your claim above that does not and never has existed. Isn't it a bit early in the day to be drinking so heavily ?

 

I see. So it's acceptable for you to bash others, but not for others to bash you (even when they aren't) ?

Jesus.

 

Well, to put things into perspective (and as food for thought), in 2014 I believe the then Eagle management stated it intended to hire approximately 600 pilots and I heard actually got something like about 106. At that time, they had the PPA flow-through in place, as well.

The pilots simply aren't there in the numbers needed to fuel any flow-through's that advertise a steady stream of dozens per month. They weren't then and there is even less now and that number dwindles with every passing month.

You're free to interpret that as you wish.

 

The FAA Reauthorization Bill is due this year. I wouldn't be shocked if they changed the 1500 hour rule in response to the pilot shortage that is affecting the regionals.

 

If Envoy's flow truly requires ZERO new hires, can you explain that to me? Assuming 300 lifers stay and everybody else flows in 6 years, you are left with 300 captains. How does that staff 108-170 jets?

 

Anything's possible, but the Colgan families have a strong lobby that's wired in pretty tight to Congress and any politician that reverses course on that will be easy pickings in their next election as selling the safety of the American traveling public out for the $$$ interests of big business. In reality, the 1500 hour rule is a minor issue in the present state of affairs in the regional industry, but is being portrayed as much more by the ATA for big business. If they whacked that tomorrow, it might provide short-term relief, but wont change the core fundimentals of the problem.

The real problem is the huge $$$ invested and the poor ROI for aspiring pilots and as we all know the atrocious treatment of regional pilots by their managements is no myth. Considering the more lucrative opportunities out there for college grads that pay 2-4 times that of entry-level regional pilots for a fraction of the investment, the golden cow of plentiful entry-level pilots has been milked till its utter has turned blue and has flopped over, dead as dog****.

The only people to blame are the cow milkers who thought the cow would produce and live on in perpituity. Even if they doubled pay tomorrow and promised the world to those who would accept an entry-level regional pilots position, it would take years to restock the supply. In essence, these wizards have ****ed themselves and what a sad situation indeed. Isn't it interesting that they truly haven't come to terms with that yet, nor have made any serious efforts to correct that, instead opting for feeble promises and temporary band-aids ?

Of course, the senior executives are all millionaires and most have more money then they'll ever spend, so it's no big deal how badly they fail. Wall street rewards heinous faliures and this business is no different.

 

You make good points on that.

 

Just found it amusing. The guy I sat next to in new hire class had been through the "Top Gun" course. Found out in AAMP class.