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06-17-2015 | 06:57 AM
#1092
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From: Semi-Retired...
agreed.
That level of flow would poach pilots from everywhere else to come here.
He asked if it was possible, not probable. With the flow working that well, the line would be out the door to get in here. If ours does, then PDT's would too, and their apps would increase also.
It would create the dynamic of being able to go to a place like Mesa and upgrade fast and compete with 10,000 other regional pilots for a job at United... or going to ENY/PDT and upgrading in 2-3 years and flowing to AA in 6.... meanwhile the other guys at independants are enjoying their left seat regional job still competing for that United job. Eventually AA and Delta will likely both funnel pilots through their WO's; meaning if you aren't in one of the flow programs, your choice will only be a LCC or United.
That level of flow would poach pilots from everywhere else to come here.
He asked if it was possible, not probable. With the flow working that well, the line would be out the door to get in here. If ours does, then PDT's would too, and their apps would increase also.
It would create the dynamic of being able to go to a place like Mesa and upgrade fast and compete with 10,000 other regional pilots for a job at United... or going to ENY/PDT and upgrading in 2-3 years and flowing to AA in 6.... meanwhile the other guys at independants are enjoying their left seat regional job still competing for that United job. Eventually AA and Delta will likely both funnel pilots through their WO's; meaning if you aren't in one of the flow programs, your choice will only be a LCC or United.
06-17-2015 | 12:00 PM
#1095
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You might want to re-read the flow language... It's the LESSER of 50% of classes or 30 when the new planes come. So AA would have to be running classes of 60+ a month to get 30. All the other percentages and numbers are the LESSER as well. Current new hires get 25% or 5 slots in class if I recall. So envoy's flow has PSA beat by 1 when it comes to new hires.
(Pilots Hired After DOS)
Envoy Pilots will occupy the lesser of 25% or 5 slots in a given month at American Airline new hire classes. The base number of 5 will be increased by 1 for every 125 pilots on the master seniority list above 480.
They could do more just as they can and sometimes do now.. We may or may not have more than 480 pilots in 5-6 years. Who knows. Right now we still have over 2000. Also it's still a WAY better flow than PSA because there is no interview. How many major airline interviews are successful the first time around? Maybe 20-30%? Not an interview I would want to count on passing coming from a wholly owned regional, especially when staffing is getting extremely bad at your company 5+ yrs from now.
06-17-2015 | 03:01 PM
#1096
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Personally, I don't think so, at least not in the long-term, so NO, RJ pilots position is not "not according to Joey". That's just his weekly attempt to out me as that's all he's got left and yes, he's flunked at that too.
06-18-2015 | 07:04 AM
#1097
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I'm curious, why is Envoy canceling around 10% of flights each day? I've been seeing it lately, with yesterday being 10% and 13% the day before.
Side note, funny to see Republic not leading the way of cancellations lately.
Side note, funny to see Republic not leading the way of cancellations lately.
06-18-2015 | 07:08 AM
#1098
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TS/TD Bill was screwing up weather in DFW yesterday.
06-18-2015 | 07:19 AM
#1099
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I think RAH cancellations should improve since they are reducing flying due to ongoing crew shortage.
06-18-2015 | 07:29 AM
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