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06-22-2015 | 03:42 PM
#1137
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Now THAT is ****in funny. 
I understand that they (certain management personnel) believe that NOW they only need 15 new hires/month to meet the 2.5/6 claim. Once again, I can't connect the dots on that math. That's less than 1100 pilots over 6 years and perhaps half the Envoy pilots at present. Even with outside attrition, from my POV these Pinocchio math claims just result in more elongated snouts.
Sounds to me as though there is a complete disconnect between what Parker and AAG are doing (and plan on doing) with their regionals and what the individual regional managements are electing to do to get the most bodies in the door in the hope of remaining a player. I understand no additional concrete commitments were made to Envoy pilots as a result of today's meeting. I would think at least Envoy pilots can plan on more flow slots next month as there will be street hires at AA.
I understand that they (certain management personnel) believe that NOW they only need 15 new hires/month to meet the 2.5/6 claim. Once again, I can't connect the dots on that math. That's less than 1100 pilots over 6 years and perhaps half the Envoy pilots at present. Even with outside attrition, from my POV these Pinocchio math claims just result in more elongated snouts.
Sounds to me as though there is a complete disconnect between what Parker and AAG are doing (and plan on doing) with their regionals and what the individual regional managements are electing to do to get the most bodies in the door in the hope of remaining a player. I understand no additional concrete commitments were made to Envoy pilots as a result of today's meeting. I would think at least Envoy pilots can plan on more flow slots next month as there will be street hires at AA.
06-22-2015 | 03:46 PM
#1138
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Now THAT is ****in funny.
I understand that they (certain management personnel) believe that NOW they only need 15 new hires/month to meet the 2.5/6 claim. Once again, I can't connect the dots on that math. That's less than 1100 pilots over 6 years and perhaps half the Envoy pilots at present. Even with outside attrition, from my POV these Pinocchio math claims just result in more elongated snouts.
Sounds to me as though there is a complete disconnect between what Parker and AAG are doing (and plan on doing) with their regionals and what the individual regional managements are electing to do to get the most bodies in the door in the hope of remaining a player. I understand no additional concrete commitments were made to Envoy pilots as a result of today's meeting. I would think at least Envoy pilots can plan on more flow slots next month as there will be street hires at AA.
I understand that they (certain management personnel) believe that NOW they only need 15 new hires/month to meet the 2.5/6 claim. Once again, I can't connect the dots on that math. That's less than 1100 pilots over 6 years and perhaps half the Envoy pilots at present. Even with outside attrition, from my POV these Pinocchio math claims just result in more elongated snouts.
Sounds to me as though there is a complete disconnect between what Parker and AAG are doing (and plan on doing) with their regionals and what the individual regional managements are electing to do to get the most bodies in the door in the hope of remaining a player. I understand no additional concrete commitments were made to Envoy pilots as a result of today's meeting. I would think at least Envoy pilots can plan on more flow slots next month as there will be street hires at AA.
06-22-2015 | 04:43 PM
#1139
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The 15 out/15 in philosophy just isn't realistic, IMO.
06-22-2015 | 07:09 PM
#1140
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If Envoy flows 15/month and hires 15/month, with no outside attrition, yes. The only problem is that's not realistic as outside attrition will be at least equal that, if not more as pilots still wouldn't turn down another legacy or decent LCC, if offered a class (and there WILL likely be classes to attend at other carriers over the next 6 years). Thus, Envoy would realistically need twice that or 30/month to cover outside attrition to be realistic, even at half its present size.
The 15 out/15 in philosophy just isn't realistic, IMO.
The 15 out/15 in philosophy just isn't realistic, IMO.
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