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06-26-2015, 10:32 AM

#1161

snippercr

Does NOT get weekends off

Joined APC: Jul 2007

Position: ERJ - 145

Posts: 1,631

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdflyer1999

I think the point is that travel benefits can be a huge determining factor in selecting an airline, regional or otherwise. The list isn't to try and impress anyone, it's intended to show that they are important.

Working for Another regional would not allow myself and family the lifestyle we want.

Each person is allowed to place certain values on certain aspects of a certain job. Some people ONLY want dollar sign - which ever allows the most to be put on the W2. Some want commutability. Some want time off. Others have a mixture of all the above. Travel is indeed one of them for me and a major consideration. My wife and I travel - a LOT. Yet it is just the two of us. Our life style allows us to travel. Be it a short stay in Europe, a weekend in Japan, to diving the great barrier reef in Australia. Non-rev tends to be a love or hate type thing. People either love it, or they hate it. But it needs to be accepted that there are those opinions. Me, I love traveling not for work. Non revving allows me to do that.

As it is said... haters gona hate.

06-26-2015, 10:33 AM

#1162

sevenforseven

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Oct 2013

Position: Prone

Posts: 399

I'm not sure I understand the attraction towards medium-high and low priority standby unless you're single and never travel with anyone; even then it's a crap shoot. Eagle had the best system with the ability to check flight loads, but even then there were always people gaming the system, the methods of which I won't go into here. It was always so much fun to book on a green flight (wide open) and then show up to have it totally in the red (oversold) only a few hours later.

Anyways, it's nice to be able to JS to get yourself to and from work, but other than that... I don't see it as some great benefit.

Just my .02 of course.

06-26-2015, 10:50 AM

#1163

eaglefly

Banned

Joined APC: Jun 2008

Posts: 8,350

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bootleg

I understand that whenever there were 4 separate Eagles, Wings West treated pilots pretty good. But there was hatred for the Wings guys from the Simmons guys and something called the East Texas Mafia.

Thoughts?

True. This was born in 1993 when Wings West pilots were brought into DFW from the West Coast to fly former Metro routes. As a result, their upgrade times were short, while senior Metro/Simmons (who had merged) F/O's stagnated as F/O's (in lowly turboprops) for 6 years. There were a couple of crew room fistfights and some verbal altercations as I recall, but after awhile things quieted down, although each group had their own "turf" within the same crew room with some eyeing each other suspiciously.

The "East Texas Mafia" was a label coined to describe the then MEC, most of whom were Texas "good 'ole boys" firmly entrenched with and quite cozy with Eagle (Metro/Simmons) management.

06-26-2015, 10:54 AM

#1164

eaglefly

Banned

Joined APC: Jun 2008

Posts: 8,350

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdflyer1999

That's a rather glib statement. I think that for you, off duty travel shouldn't be a significant factor. I love my travel benefits and my family, I laws and friends use them extensively. It is one of the major reasons I joined this profession.

In the past 12 months we have:
Gone diving in Central America
Been to London 2 times
Been to Ireland 3 times
Gone to Texas for wedding
Surfing in Cali (6 times)
Spent two weekends in Chicago.

My extended family has:
Gone to Europe 3 times
Been to China (twice)
Gone to NJ

We've used AA, USAirways, Delta, United, Aer Lingus, British Airways.

We've been first or business class on all of them except BA.

We are going to Hawaii, Sydney, and New Zealand next spring.

We typically spend one weekend a month traveling and love it. My travel benefits are extremely important to me and being considered as AA for CASS has been a huge plus. Being able to Jumpseat international has significantly reduced the price. These benefits also play a huge part in where I'm willing to work.

Yes, this is all fine and nice and I'm not (nor WAS) disputing that. My point was that for a new pilot selecting a regional, this should NOT be at the top of the list or even among the top. Compensation (pay/401(k)) and work rules (QOL) along with advancement potential, stability (keeping that advancement, let alone job) and treatment should all be above non-rev travel, at least if one is smart and in my opinion.

I know pilots at other regionals who have the ability (and HAVE) to travel just like you do. Envoy isn't in a vacuum when it comes to this benefit.

06-26-2015, 10:58 AM

#1165

PilotCrusader

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Dec 2013

Posts: 1,054

Quote:

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Dude every chance you can to bash envoy.....I am really starting to question who you are.

Mesa pilots cannot even non rev on AA right now, let alone their family. Their USair benefits are lacking for families as well - priority well below an envoy family.

Most of the non wholly owneds have crap travel benefits compared to the wholly owneds. If you are someone that got into this to enjoy travel, I would say a WO has much more value as a result.