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Old 06-21-2015 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LeadFoot
By 2025 American Airlines, alone, will have over 5000 mandatory retirements. That's not even counting those who decide to retire early or, frankly, those who cannot maintain a First Class medical. They won't be able to just hire pilots from Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont. While the wholly owned pilot groups will get priority for sure, other regional airline pilots will be hired in large numbers as well.
I predict RAH will be the first to be cannibalized as the big 3 pick them dry. Being un-aligned, non-owned, and without a flow to slow things down has certain pilot benefits.
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Old 06-21-2015 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LeadFoot
By 2025 American Airlines, alone, will have over 5000 mandatory retirements. That's not even counting those who decide to retire early or, frankly, those who cannot maintain a First Class medical. They won't be able to just hire pilots from Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont. While the wholly owned pilot groups will get priority for sure, other regional airline pilots will be hired in large numbers as well.
I agree with you.
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Old 06-21-2015 | 06:39 PM
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The ignore function works flawlessly. No more Vag lips comments to see!
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Old 06-21-2015 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
I predict RAH will be the first to be cannibalized as the big 3 pick them dry. Being un-aligned, non-owned, and without a flow to slow things down has certain pilot benefits.
Gotcha Miss Cleo...that was probably the dumbest prediction I've ever heard from anyone.

PSA is the only WO that has a stipulation that pilots cannot be hired onto AA outside the flow. The flow does nothing to slow down movement. Flow means movement, not stagnation. Do you need to consult a dictionary?

I really hope nobody is taking advice from this just out of flight school know-it all.
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Old 06-21-2015 | 08:07 PM
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People are finally facing the facts at envoy. The hardcore no voters realized they need hype to get people in the doors to help get some movement going at their airline, but even they couldn't believe their lies for that long. I truly believe things will turn around at envoy in a few years, but anyone who chooses envoy over the other options right now has seriously neglected to do their homework.
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Old 06-22-2015 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
Gotcha Miss Cleo...that was probably the dumbest prediction I've ever heard from anyone.

PSA is the only WO that has a stipulation that pilots cannot be hired onto AA outside the flow. The flow does nothing to slow down movement. Flow means movement, not stagnation. Do you need to consult a dictionary?

I really hope nobody is taking advice from this just out of flight school know-it all.
I think you know I'm right, you're just living in denial.
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Old 06-22-2015 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
I think you know I'm right, you're just living in denial.
I'm not living in denial by any means. You saying RAH will be the first to be "canableized" is a statement with no evidence of any sort to back up your claim.

Envoys flow has issues with it right now, for sure. Just look at what happened last week. But it will do as advertised and move those who want, over to AA. By saying a place like RAH will be cannablized with it's pilots going to AA is a baseless statement with absolutely no thought behind it.
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Old 06-22-2015 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
The ignore function works flawlessly. No more Vag lips comments to see!
^^^^^^^^^^^^this guy^^^^^^^^^^

Puts me on ignore, yet the only thing he stilll does is talk about ME.

Looks like he's the one that is "owned" .

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Old 06-22-2015 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
Gotcha Miss Cleo...that was probably the dumbest prediction I've ever heard from anyone.

PSA is the only WO that has a stipulation that pilots cannot be hired onto AA outside the flow. The flow does nothing to slow down movement. Flow means movement, not stagnation. Do you need to consult a dictionary?

I really hope nobody is taking advice from this just out of flight school know-it all.
All the claims made now by individual AA regionals own managements are simply that - claims made now. What they can or cannot do innthe future is not set in stone.
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Old 06-22-2015 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
I'm not living in denial by any means. You saying RAH will be the first to be "canableized" is a statement with no evidence of any sort to back up your claim.

Envoys flow has issues with it right now, for sure. Just look at what happened last week. But it will do as advertised and move those who want, over to AA. By saying a place like RAH will be cannablized with it's pilots going to AA is a baseless statement with absolutely no thought behind it.
My statement has nothing to do with Envoy specifically, its a generalized statement. I'll put it this way. You're the CEO of a major airline. More pilots are going to be needed in the future to staff your major airline then currently work at the regional airlines. Where are you going to take your pilots from? Are you going to decimate your own feed or are you going to grab them from unaligned regionals?

I know Envoy pilots are excited about their flow, I get that. And when it works its a great thing for a few months. But when it comes down to it and the pilot shortage really starts to kick into high gear, AA is simply not going evacuate their entire feed (PSA, Envoy, Piedmont etc), they are going to pull the majority of their pilots from other non aligned sources. Maybe Delta will do the same thing and pull pilots from Envoy to protect their feed.

I don't know for sure and neither do you. Cracks are already developing in your flow as evidenced by recent postings here and we are only 2 months in to all the b*tching about it here. But it seems clear to me without a steady flow of new pilots to carriers such as Envoy, a new hire today at Envoy has to realistically weigh whether the flow will really apply to them or not or if the flow is only going to be applied to those precious 824 pilots who won the right years before them.

You called me Miss Cleo and I can see why, but to me it really just seems like common sense- don't destroy your own feed, destroys someone elses like Republic.
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