Absolutely not. Flow down is a privilege reserved for the day Envoy pilots are award American seniority number on date of hire. Times have changed. Flow up benefits the airline more than it benefits the pilot, it keeps you in line, it keeps you controlled, it keeps you from leaving. They want to give you flow up, they need to give you flow.

And then the day will come when flow up is no longer possible or desired by the airline. This is the day they need to stop or severely limit the flow because they can't afford to let pilots leave the regional destroying their feed. And they will take it away at the snap of their fingers all while you have given major concessions to have it.

 

First, ask yourself why the company would want 12/4 to begin with? What are they up to? With all the things they could potentially ask for, why that? What's likely to be happening in the regional airlines in the next year?

 

You're right.

I'm not advocating for or against accepting it just asking what it would take for most, or if most consider it a non-starter.

 

The Eagle MEC has stated that a B-scale is not acceptable nor will the pilot group support it in any form.

 

All this speculation is amusing, but it seems there is no hard information here. And about as relevant as farting in the wind.

The bottom line is we are banking on not being "comaired" by the sole hope that the pilot shortage turns out to be as bad as is speculated, and that there are no other major changes to the landscape.
From terrorist action to a shutdown, or merger, or new age 75 or 95 if you can pass a physical,, or whatever.

This 'pilot shortage' has been diminished so many times over the last 25 years I have been in this industry that I am skeptical.

 

I wasn't at Eagle but was a US Express carrier and can tell you this is true for me. I was a senior F/O and a junior reserve & line holding CA there and by far reserve under the new MOU has significantly improved my QOL, and I commute to reserve. I sat 7 weeks total of short call, and now can sit reserve at home. You know by 1 pm the day prior what you are doing the next day 95% of the time.

I've done a 3 day trip this month so far. That's it. Show at 745 pm off duty at 6:30 am on day 3. Had the whole 4th of July week off at home. I haven't had that holiday off in years, let alone a weekend. Buddy of mine just came off 20 days without being used in a row as a regular reserve. Most reserves are flying 20-30 hours a month. A handful don't get called at all (lucky!).

If you want even better QOL, short call living in domicile with an overnight RAP is even better. I went 26 days in a row without flying, and only flew after that because I requested a trip bought. The next 3 weeks I flew 3 days on short call. You couldn't pull that off at my commuter even if you bid ready reserve sitting at the airport for 8 hours a day.

 

Sorta like the ex-Los Angeles LEC Chair now Negotiating Chair who advocated no PBS during bankruptcy only to now be promoting it in the crew room?

 

avoid using the term "snap-backs" It may end up doing the exact same thing, but I'd avoid using that wording. For them, it's like saying B-scale to a pilot.

ever heard the old saying that it's all about how it's presented....

 

Mason,

A little confused from reading your posts. Seems like stuff has possibly gone back and forth a bit this week. Went from expecting news last week nothing, with no deal, to some sort of internal deal? Could you sum it up as to what's going on now? Some news next week, perhaps?

 

It doesn't benefit the APA. This is why I suggested it might be beneficial if you had something the APA did want... like a bunch of new planes.
You can keep Bzzzt though.


By then Envoy will have been absorbed into AA already. It's how they plan to staff E-jets. Nobody will go to RAH, Mesa, Compass or elsewhere when they can get their seniority number and place on the list upon date of hire to fly the E175. Before that happens, Envoy will become the single point of entry to AA. That bypases any negotiations with the APA for seniority numbers; since your DOH at envoy will be your place on the AA list once you move over. This won't happen until PDT and PSA are eventually consolidated. You guys have a few years left to torture Pagey.