Envoy's future
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It amazes me that we are replacing 44/50 seat rj flying with 50 seat rj's from a different company. Yes this company is notorious for promising growth and airplanes and greatness as they pull the rug out from under you. Bk contract was supposed to be accompanied by a fleet plan and growth. Reality: All LAX flying subbed out to Skywest and closed as a base, SJU shut down, some DFW flying to XJT, and Republic utilizing a magical order of 175's to do flying out of ORD. All happened within a couple months of signing the bk contract. Growth? fleet plan? I have to say that what little trust we had with management has been lost with. All growth seems to be in ground service dept. which he seems to be so proud of!
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Is there any truth to the rumor that Mesa and RAH turned down AAG's RFPs for the 175 flying?
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You are jealous and envious. They are at AA because they worked hard for that position and deserve it. You on the other hand..... complain on an internet message board. How many frustrated minor league baseball players are there? You'd fit right in, not every ball player will make it to the big league and are destined for a career in the minors.
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Mesa is most likely not in either as they are swamped with new flying. Same with psa.
Pdt is likely but present the same longevity problem as ae, worst by %. They also would go through a long painful process on jet rates, made further complicated by great soft pay due to things like rigs. Suddenly they aren't any cheaper than ae now with out bk contract.
That leaves air willy as a great candidate, however they also offer no cost savings, and my guess is they won't pay to play on the new jets. They seem to be the logical contender for an extension on 50 sweaters as ae parks 140s and psa 200s, as well as chq 140s.
The long term dance partner for these 150 ejets still remains ae. The longevity gap seems to be the problem. However Skywest, expressjet, rah, and even pncl are in close following to join us in these costs, and only pncl offers ch11 rates.
My guess is by the end of 2015 we will see someone go ch11 as positive pattern bargaining can't actually be allowed to continue at the regionals. If Mesa runs into a staffing crunch and can't staff for united and airways I see them taking a trip down memory lane. Republic may also be someone pointing in this direction due to terrible labor relations by Bedford. If air willy doesn't get the leases extended with airways then they are in huge trouble.
This industry is so fluid, my advice to someone applying is live in base with a tolerable contract.
When I was interviewing jan 2011, Mesa has a 10 year upgrade, psa 8 years, tran states 8+ years. Colgan now pinnacle was 2 years, that would have landed me the same overall outcome as of now as eagle. Same with MessabA. Commutair has remained stable. Great Lakes wasn't in the current mess but was facing complete loss of financing on the 1900s, the pay was the same ****. I didn't even know what republic was or how to apply. Pdt has the same rep of mass wash out and no upgrade full of old timers. Those pdt dashes are scheduled for return next year, that's not a rumor, it's fact, same as eagles atrs.
Skywest has been stable but maintains the longest currently of the big regionals in regards to upgrades.
Also keep in mind that eagle, Skywest, pinnacle, and expressjet make up 80%+ of ALL regional pilots.
Lastly my guess is it is becoming more and more apparent aag and most likely delta will put off the regional hiring shortage by closing the door to off the street hiring at the majors and favoring flow. I bet by this time next year aag hires more than 75% of new hires forever from their regionals via flow of pref interviews. I expect delta to follow. Just my guess, and I'm on my iPad and having a terrible time with auto correc.t
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From: forever fo
You are jealous and envious. They are at AA because they worked hard for that position and deserve it. You on the other hand..... complain on an internet message board. How many frustrated minor league baseball players are there? You'd fit right in, not every ball player will make it to the big league and are destined for a career in the minors.
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Your being a jerk dude. Further I know a few hired because of their connections such as spouses and fathers. Others hired due to professional aviation organizations with strong recruitment ties, think the major places of job fairs. Just like I know great candidates at regionals who are captains with clean records, some check airmen, who don't have tons of connections and are getting no bites.
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From: forever fo
As a legacy One could assume I'd be cheering this on, however I'm simply pointing it out.
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