Originally Posted by PilotJ3

I just hope we all can get the numbers before they acquire another regional and merge it with us.



I'm enjoying also the quiet period. No BS other than horrible schedules for next moth.

Originally Posted by Bzzt

The schedules haven't been good since the company decided 117 was their excuse to make our lives miserable.

Originally Posted by buddies8

we don't have to call in sick we have pto.

Originally Posted by Mason32

AA will continue reducing envoy frequency as larger RJs slowly come online. They will also drop the lowest yield markets. They will - within a year - make envoy the ONLY way to AA with a bigger flow program. They will buy other regionals for staffing more than equipment.

Once envoy becomes the only way to AA it will drive recruiting way up as pilots from places like Mesa, TSA, GoJets etc... Race to get hired at envoy. They can continue applying everywhere else, and be secure in their eventual flow to AA. Eventually, AAG will develop an ab-initio program to take them from zero to regional hero, with flow to AA. Finally, once all those pilots dry up, they will eventually bring the flying back in house. Delta will act similarly, but is far behind AAG in getting it set up. I told people for the past few years that the only jobs worth having will be with wholly owned regionals. Soon, you'll all see why.

I've encouraged our guys to get ahead of this and number all the envoy guys. The company controls hiring. They will make envoy the only way to AA, and that will in essence put them in seniority order, and we can't stop it. By numbering them all, we then demand a representation vote. Kick ALPA out, bring them into APA and begin a new contract. Some hard liners here at APA still can't see that we need to do this now before our leverage is gone. If the company does make all of our hiring from envoy, we will lose that leverage. The company is going to use our job as a hiring tool for envoy; while we collect no dues for an entire pilot group that us essentially stapled to our list.

Places like Mesa will eventually become dead end jobs as each legacy after legacy copies this model to attract pilots. As they default on their contracts, the legacies will poach them at giveaway prices.

Knowing how they think, I'd put RAH and AW high on the list for potential acquisition.

Originally Posted by rickt86

Keep in mind that long term sick doesn't pay out when you leave. You can use it after a week out sick and zero pto left, till it's gone. If you get a bad cold and think your a candidate to be gone this year, considering the use of long term sick till your better might be wise.

Originally Posted by rickt86

What about the vote no by envoy. The rumble that Mesa might take some of the ejets, and lack of signing by pdt mec that they will join the stop the whipsaw movement today. One could easily predict them getting the first 50 ejets between them both.

Further with the massive attrition at envoy, which will continue ie downsizing, what prevents the company from shifting this plan to Piedmont and psa instead of envoy. Let us just die on the vine to punish our no.

Originally Posted by SkylineAviation

I would like to correct part of your statement.

You can collect your long term sick after being away for 7 consecutive days but your PTO does NOT have to be zero. Only the sick portion of the PTO must be zeroed out.

We have no way to view the sick portion accrual vs the vacation part but our pay auditors can and do. And it's not terribly difficult for us to figure it out. So you can be out for at least 7 consecutive days, take the sick portion of the PTO to zero and start collecting out of the long term sick while still keeping a substantial amount of PTO time left due to the vacation part that was put in there January. They will not do this for you of course, therefore you need to contact your pay comp auditor and request them to "freeze" your PTO once your sick portion of PTO would be zero to start taking from your long term bank.

By doing this you're saving the vacation part of the PTO for later use but still using the long term sick.