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Old 08-09-2014 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JetPilotMan
Yeah...

As for Bzzt and his "we don't have a pilot shortage"...yeah...we do. And yes, I've been in this industry long enough to have heard decades of the likes of Kit Darby saying it's coming.
I agree with nearly everything you write but I don't agree there is pilot shortage.

There are all kinds of pilots with the ratings and time who sit at desks all day and make great money and awesome QoL, I am one of them.

I'd take a 30% pay cut for 1 wk on and one off or similar schedule but there's no way I'll do it for 22k a year.

Pay comes up, bs management stuff stops, pilots come out of the wood work and $mart kids will want to ri$k 150k to be a pilot.

Of course for that to happen pigs will fly too
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Old 08-09-2014 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
Nice assumptions. Hypothetically, just because regionals cease to exist does not magically transport everyone to a major airline seniority list. There will be those left to the street and the pool of available jobs for everyone interested in an airline career will drastically shrink. It's nice to skip to the finish in a story, but the fallout to get there can't be ignored.
Would you fly for a regional if you knew for a fact you would never make it to a major? If the answer is no, then would you not prefer to know earlier rather than later that they didn't want to hire you? Apply, get rejected, and move on with your life. Or spend years at a regional only to find out later they didn't want you.
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Old 08-09-2014 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 35Right
How would you be permanently junior, unless you're saying no one above you would ever retire and no one would ever be hired below you?

Regional pilots currently have to compete against corporate and military guys for spots at the majors. If regionals don't exist, once you're on a legacy's list, any military or corporate guy that gets hired is going to be below you.

You won't spend wasted years accruing seniority at an airline you'll eventually leave for a legacy.
Id be permanently junior because of my age, regionals not existing may be better for the next generation of pilots but it's too late for some who have already been in this regional quagmire.

I don't agree that the years spent at a regional are "wasted" if you acquire the seniority to have good qol at a regional it's not a horrible job.
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Old 08-09-2014 | 06:57 AM
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I'm surprised this hasn't made it here yet.

AA wants the 175's to mainline, among other things.

Joint President's Message: JCBA expectations

In the near future, our joint negotiating committees will be passing more substantial proposals at the table based on the joint guidance provided to the committees.

The merger of American Airlines and US Airways has proven to be an enormous financial success. Having played a pivotal role in making this merger come together, the pilots of both airlines have earned the right to share in the upside. As so often occurs in this industry, things change.

American Airlines' financial performance is already in line with industry-leader Delta Air Lines in almost every meaningful category. From pre-tax margin to net profit to passenger yield to total revenue to EBITAR and other categories, American is in line with and in some instances exceeding Delta's financial performance. We have compiled a financial performance comparison chart that drives home these points.

Management recently communicated to investors that "anticipated upside synergies are just beginning." The pilots at the new American Airlines are more productive than Delta pilots by a good margin (four more block hours flown per pilot per month in 2013, according to Form 41 data). That's impressive considering Delta pilots have been on preferential bidding for years. Our productivity will only increase as we make our transition to PBS.

If we are more productive than Delta pilots, we can look management squarely in the eye and demand Delta compensation, including profit-sharing.

We intend to make the case for our pilots flying E175s and other similar-sized aircraft. The pilot shortage at the regional carriers — driven by poverty-level wages for new hires — is real and materializing sooner than the industry anticipated. The carrier that abandons the regional experiment first and commits to a consistent quality product for passengers, with a reliable supply of highly qualified pilots, will win the day. We will strongly encourage management to restore American Airlines to the position of industry leader and innovator, particularly in the area of mainline pilots performing regional jet flying.

During the Conditional Labor Agreement and MOU negotiations, we willingly signed up for a JCBA process with an arbitration back-stop if an agreement cannot be reached. Management wanted a process with certainty. Agreeing to an arbitration back-stop was the price of admission to the merger path. But with the merger succeeding beyond the most optimistic expectations, an arbitrated solution would be a dismal failure for both sides. The opportunity to align our interests with management's and to share in the upside would be lost. Conversely, immediately closing our pay gap with Delta would be the single most tangible sign management could offer to remove any doubt that they are serious about creating a better relationship with the pilots of American Airlines.

We will share more details with you in the near future as negotiations continue and more substantive proposals are passed at the table.

The time to close the gap with Delta is now.
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Old 08-09-2014 | 07:05 AM
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aint going to happen.
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Old 08-09-2014 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy
I'm surprised this hasn't made it here yet.

AA wants the 175's to mainline, among other things.
It hasn't made it here because it has no bearing on reality.
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Old 08-09-2014 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
Id be permanently junior because of my age, regionals not existing may be better for the next generation of pilots but it's too late for some who have already been in this regional quagmire.
How old are you? 55? 60? I'm assuming you've done your research on the retirements at AA/US, and if being permanently junior is a genuine concern of yours, you must be at least in your 50s.
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Old 08-09-2014 | 08:04 AM
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No, he's in his early 30's.
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Old 08-09-2014 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
No, he's in his early 30's.
Wow, the ignorance is strong in this one.
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Old 08-09-2014 | 08:48 AM
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People have debated me on this before, I'm not going to get into it again. The point is there are those who don't mind being at a regional, and there will be flights that are truly "regional". I don't want to see the regional airlines completely gone, they're downsizing which is good for those of you who want to chase national and legacy employment.

Also I don't want anything to do with mainline AA. That merger is going to be an absolute disaster and DUI Doug is no better than the management team the APA pilots were in such a hurry to get rid of. If I still had apps in at majors AA would be my 3rd choice by a long way.
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