Thread title is misleading, it should read "PDT has been lied to".

Actually envoys fleet commitment specifies the 60 order and 90 options that have been made. Pdt does not I believe specify where they will come from except if not from current options then from any option order later exercised they get the first 20 from that option conversion. Gotta love legal language

So they come up another concessionary cba and give you guys just a handful of days to vote on it right in the busiest season of the year for every families... I's question your union about this, this is shady as fûc.
Smells like management wants all the odds in their favor on this one. Emotional voting... Airplanes & flow carrots. I hope this doesn't pass, but I don't work there. What a joke!

Those two usually go hand in hand. Everybody should know by now that Envoy's loss is other airlines' gain.

No one lied to us. We will operate 145s and dashes for a couple years. Then when those options come into effect and you run out of pilots, we will lend a hand. With all that flow you have you can t have it both ways. See ya then ;)

I don't agree. I also doubt that they would shut doen envoy.
Especially considering the timing on this cba...
And personally, I don't have anything to win from Envoy's loss.

Who do you work for?

There. Fixed it for YOU.


Good Luck.

You are right. It took eny pilots close to a year to realize this. But when you have the "Jesters" and company telling you otherwise and then fleeing like roaches to AA.....


Good Luck.

Luckily the Jester left and took his Gardner with him.

I see the second mentioned above in social media spewing his crap still. Amazing.


Good Luck.

Not just social media. He is on all the forums still spewing the same crap...except now he is doing it from his perch at AA.

Pathetic.

I think its pretty clear. PSA, PDT, Compass, TSA ,XJET, RAH,are all waiting (salivating) on the TA results. It seems that finally the eny pilots are awake this time. With eny getting replacement jets and a enhanced flow to AA, I can see FO's from other regionals going to eny. What other subpar regional out there offers the flow that eny is offering?


Good Luck.

A private aircraft owner for the last 6 months, I was flying a rj before that.

ALPA has been in managements pocket there since the 1980's. :cool:

I'm not stating a fight. Just trying to look every possible outcome. I can have my point of view and you can have yours.

Just to be clear what I understand from PDT contract and what you understand might be something totally different than what management understand.

At the end I believe PDT and Envoy will be merged. Probably a couple of years down the road when pilot pool get dryer. I believe they want as much SR guys out of here sooner and that will take a couple of years.

If you read our TA is targeted to the NH. Every FO at Envoy is protected in the current payscale. They don't want us to be here much longer, neither the PDT sr guys. The flow in this TA is targeted to the 824 and Protected pilots to be gone in the next 6 years. Of course it depends on hiring.

I don't know if there are enough pilots to cover the gap.

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Hands down the best post on APC. ^^^TRUE STATEMENT^^^^

I can totally agree with this. Its time to get the airplanes and stop the happy jumping at other regionals. This could be turned in a minute if they want, but gotta to agree in a deal.

So, I rather shrink getting airplanes than shrink without them.

Seems like it... This is a total sell out. ALPA is toxic for all regionals anyway.

Plus with the "bribe" money, is a NO brainer.

Good Luck.

Why would a pilot wish to slow their career down waiting for a flow? Flow is a management tool, not a pilot benefit in any way. If this was 10 years ago I could see it, those people would be flowing now.

Ask eny pilots. 200+ flows already. Every month 20 captains are flowing. What other regional can provide that?


Good Luck.

And how long did those 200+ pilots wait for that flow to get them to the majors?

Well, considering the 9/11 attacks, recession and the fact that AA didn't hire in yrs.....What was your question again?

Good Luck.

I know since you are flying the G1 this probably all seems a little foreign to you. On the surface, flow through seems like a great thing but in reality its just a tool that management uses to obtain your obedience for 10 years, kind of like a carrot. The truth is you are better off going to a regional that is growing. Upgrade time should be the only thing on your mind, not 10 year flow throughs. You upgrade, then you are out of there in a year or two.

Maybe one day you will want to work for the airlines, this is a good place to learn some of the ropes. Good luck!

Ha! silly little man.

Good Luck.

You're implying that 1-2k hours of 121 PIC is the golden ticket to get hired at a major. That is far from accurate. Ask all the guys who have been captains for a few years who still can't get out of their current regional.

Friends and Family, Interns, Military are the only ones getting hired without that golden PIC.


Good Luck.

He just want more people below him at PSA, that's why he's telling All about quick upgrade and that the Flow IS not good. They are also anxious about PSA getting more "flow".

Two face PSA people ... so sad that all the upgrades there have been hired.

Why, I won't be at Eagle, I'm in the flow. I'll be sure to watch a 300 pilot group help out the 2K pilot group over at AA though. Enjoy your staple. ;)

+1, that fairy tale of getting 1000 TPIC will get you automatically to the major is non-sense only new hires believe. Anyone with a couple of years at the regionals will tell you the real story: military, minorities, friends and family, not just recommendations BUT recommendations from people that matter, these are the people getting their foot at the majors, with exceptions here and there.

His statement of "silliness" is correct in one way and that's your assumption of his false front being real. He's a DFW based EMB captain for Envoy. He's got a lot at stake and with this deal he may decide not to flow to AA. He doesn't know anything about G1's or GV's and spends a lot of time on Envoy issues because he has skin in the game.

Absolutely wrong...

Oh, yes. I forgot, Minorities, Women, etc...



Good Luck.

Do you know any place to play those silly paint ball games?


Good Luck.

And I'm not in the flow? There won't be anywhere near 2,000 pilots at Envoy in the near future. Guess i'll save my staples for the mainline "no fly" list. Looks like i'll need to have a binder if some of you kids are there...then again, the extra $$ would never be worth it in such a "fantastic" work environment. Good luck on your voting thingy...hehe.

I think you missed my point.

When are you schedule to Flow just curious?


Good Luck.

Just about 4 years from now. That is if everyone takes the flow, which they won't...

Forgot a few. Biz Ex merger, flow backs, age 65. Carry on.....