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flyviper 11-23-2014 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by meah (Post 1769858)
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I bet you're one of the best !

Timma 11-23-2014 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by meah (Post 1769858)
Just XXXXXXXXX"

Why does everything here have to be an insult? Grow up ********!!

8ballfreight 11-23-2014 09:58 PM

I thinking at some point Doug is going to realize that following Delta in hammering concessions or shutting down their main rj regional might be fine for delta but will cause american woes. Unfortunately I think envoy will play ball before they go away and Doug builds them back up at a cheaper rate.

billyho 11-24-2014 01:54 AM


Originally Posted by 8ballfreight (Post 1769893)
I thinking at some point Doug is going to realize that following Delta in hammering concessions or shutting down their main rj regional might be fine for delta but will cause american woes. Unfortunately I think envoy will play ball before they go away and Doug builds them back up at a cheaper rate.


Yep, or you'll see them merge with another WO'ed.

billyho 11-24-2014 02:00 AM


Originally Posted by meah (Post 1769858)
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Most of the PDT Dinosaurs are hanging on and learning that you actually don't have to fly an Airbus. And you my friend couldn't even hold the joke strap of many of those PDT dinosaurs. They know more about aviation and actually flying then you'll ever know. Most were punching wholes in the sky while you were running around in diapers with your LEGO airplane running into walls.

tom11011 11-24-2014 02:29 AM


Originally Posted by Timma (Post 1769866)
Why does everything here have to be an insult? Grow up D...k bag!!

Because there is no moderation.

deadreckoning 11-24-2014 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1769910)
Most of the PDT Dinosaurs are hanging on and learning that you actually don't have to fly an Airbus. And you my friend couldn't even hold the joke strap of many of those PDT dinosaurs. They know more about aviation and actually flying then you'll ever know. Most were punching wholes in the sky while you were running around in diapers with your LEGO airplane running into walls.

There must be some mighty funny guys that work for PDT wearing joke straps and all. Wonder why they didn't go into stand up instead of aviation.

jsled 11-24-2014 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1757596)
Here's what you don't get associate from F&S, when you do a job so well that your company becomes a brand that's worth something.

AAG is making record profit and at the helm is a guy who could never pass the background check. You threaten our jobs on one hand and then beg congress to relax the ATP requirements on the other.

So let me ask you, even with your 12/4 and insurance increases, how are you going to address the fact that our top 500 pilots are at the top tier pay? They have all deferred flowing and we have more captains than PSA has pilots.

If you want to shut us down, that's your choice. 70% of us told you last time what you can do with your concessions. Not that you care, I'm sure you're getting paid by the hour. So start up a new airline, offer street captain spots, and all the while Delta has out maneuvered you again.

Delta is busy taking flying back from regionals so they control the customer experience better. You have now taken us to what, 10 regionals?

I have a contract. Come back 2016

It sounds like Envoy is getting "80 for 80'd"...What goes around, comes around.

lakehouse 11-24-2014 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1770153)
It sounds like Envoy is getting "80 for 80'd"...What goes around, comes around.

Honestly I expect a lot better from you of all people.

Iowa Farm Boy 11-24-2014 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1770217)
Honestly I expect a lot better from you of all people.

Actually, me too. :rolleyes:

Romulus 11-24-2014 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1769758)
Those are the ones you fly silly. :p

So you guess.

The point being that good airline accounting departments understand a 737 flying 30-50 people isn't as cost efficient nor profitable as a 50 seat regional jet working the route.

Either the market must be given up or it must be outsourced.

buddies8 12-05-2014 10:06 AM

What happened, Jerry's kids are not trolling about with more doom and gloom and this is LBFO (6th time).

I guess since no more threats, the doors are closing at envoy. Everyone should have Christmas and new years off.

PilotJ3 12-05-2014 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1776889)
What happened, Jerry's kids are not trolling about with more doom and gloom and this is LBFO (6th time).

I guess since no more threats, the doors are closing at envoy. Everyone should have Christmas and new years off.

Nothing to troll yet man.

Tomorrow night, Sunday or Monday something might leak out after the ALPA MEC special meeting.

RJ Pilot 12-05-2014 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1776957)
Nothing to troll yet man.

Tomorrow night, Sunday or Monday something might leak out after the ALPA MEC special meeting.


envoy Alpa back again begging for scraps?

Good Luck

BSOuthisplace 12-05-2014 12:27 PM

I'm guessing Envoy ALPA has blown it's "snacks" budget this year.

RJ Pilot 12-05-2014 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by BSOuthisplace (Post 1777035)
I'm guessing Envoy ALPA has blown it's "snacks" budget this year.

Different band of thieves this time though. Their mission is to negotiate in bad faith for the pilot group.


Good Luck

buddies8 12-05-2014 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1777038)
Different band of thieves this time though. Their mission is to negotiate in bad faith for the pilot group.


Good Luck

how do you figure that one out?

TalkTurkey 12-06-2014 08:31 AM

Is it possible for Envoy to keep their CRJs?

diva 12-06-2014 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1777567)
Is it possible for Envoy to keep their CRJs?

Yes. We ARE keeping ALL the CRJ's.

billyho 12-06-2014 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1777567)
Is it possible for Envoy to keep their CRJs?

Anything is possible. Maybe they'll low ball PSA's rates to get them. Low ball the low baller. Then write a letter apologizing for calling all the PSA folks bad names.:eek:

buddies8 12-06-2014 08:59 AM

if i am not wrong, all statements from aag have been that they have not been able to come to agreement with envoy pilots so they will move airplanes. the only movement that can be guaranteed 90% is TSA and EJT and that can change. The PSA/PDT can change anytime since aag owns them, it is just a internal transfer that can be canceled at aag's whim.

Also the aircraft transfers are at the earliest april 2015 to begin, plenty of time for things to change for aag.

eaglefly 12-06-2014 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1777143)
how do you figure that one out?

He's worried about "his". :rolleyes: Some of the senior guys see little loss in giving in and he's one of them. He's voted yes for every deal and offer available because he believes he's too high for any cesspool that results to reach his altitude. The "good lucks" he usually throws in to his posts are a smokescreen just like Jerry's threats. The worst weakness people like that have is the inability to see their own transparency. Him and Jerry are cut of the same cloth. ;) But.......

.....rumor has it that he's planning to flow to AA based on the pay rate adjustments for new-hires..........there goes the neighborhood. :(

eaglefly 12-06-2014 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1777567)
Is it possible for Envoy to keep their CRJs?

Depends on what you mean by "Envoy". The present Envoy or the future Envoy ? ;)

RJ Pilot 12-06-2014 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1777598)
He's worried about "his". :rolleyes: Some of the senior guys see little loss in giving in and he's one of them. He's voted yes for every deal and offer available because he believes he's too high for any cesspool that results to reach his altitude. The "good lucks" he usually throws in to his posts are a smokescreen just like Jerry's threats. The worst weakness people like that have is the inability to see their own transparency. Him and Jerry are cut of the same cloth. ;) But.......

.....rumor has it that he's planning to flow to AA based on the pay rate adjustments for new-hires..........there goes the neighborhood. :(


1. No flowing here since I no longer work for envoy but keep trying.

2. You should worry about your own because you guys are next. Honeymoon over. ( you should know that term since what You on wife #3 ?)

Good Luck.

eaglefly 12-06-2014 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1777602)
1. No flowing here since I no longer work for envoy but keep trying.

2. You should worry about your own because you guys are next. Honeymoon over. ( you should know that term since what You on wife #3 ?)

Good Luck.

- You still work for Envoy.
- You were an ardent Team Tony supporter.
- You ARE NOT....repeat, NOT a $21,000/month GV captain.
- I don't have, nor have ever had "3 wives".
- No "luck" needed here.

Don't worry. DFW S80 is pretty junior. ;)

RJ Pilot 12-06-2014 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1777610)
- You still work for Envoy.
- You were an ardent Team Tony supporter.
- You ARE NOT....repeat, NOT a $21,000/month GV captain.
- I don't have, nor have ever had "3 wives".
- No "luck" needed here.

Don't worry. DFW S80 is pretty junior. ;)

Ouch, Did I struck a nerve there JJ?:D

eaglefly 12-06-2014 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1777615)
Ouch, Did I struck a nerve there JJ?:D

That'll be the day. I laugh out loud every time I think of you in a GV. Now, get back in that Embraer and finish up your OT !

RJ Pilot 12-06-2014 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1777619)
That'll be the day. I laugh out loud every time I think of you in a GV. Now, get back to that Embraer and pick up some more OT !

Thats what you did to pay for your ex boob job?

Good Luck.

eaglefly 12-06-2014 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1777620)
Thats what you did to pay for your ex boob job?

Good Luck.

LOL !!!

Chop, Chop........they're boarding and you've got a checklist to run. Got to keep Envoy running smoothly. ;)

trailBrake 12-06-2014 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1777620)
Thats what you did to pay for your ex boob job?

Good Luck.

Damn RJ
I don't think there is any way for you to make yourself look more pathetic.
But, my guess is, you'll keep trying.
Good luck

RJ Pilot 12-06-2014 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by trailBrake (Post 1777632)
Damn RJ
I don't think there is any way for you to make yourself look more pathetic.
But, my guess is, you'll keep trying.
Good luck

He is obsessed with me seems like. He can't let go of me leaving AAG and be in a better position than him. He is that individual. The show off and Im better than you guy.

Good Luck.

eaglefly 12-06-2014 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1777634)
He is obsessed with me seems like. He can't let go of me leaving AAG and be in a better position than him. He is that individual. The show off and Im better than you guy.

Good Luck.

You've gone nowhere and you know it. You boast to others of your $250,000/year GV Captain paycheck (with zero corporate or global experience) and I'M the "show off" ? You're the one who's obsessed referring to hair I don't have, wives I don't have and even an identity that's incorrect every time you try to out me (which is frequently).

Hurry up, they're closing the door and you don't want to be late back to DFW !

PilotJ3 12-06-2014 11:17 AM

MEC and Company negotiating today.

buddies8 12-06-2014 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1777650)
MEC and Company negotiating today.

that a question or statement? if statement, what did your inside source tell you? This is what i am expecting, Glass presented another threat LBFO and our mec said well we dont know we will need a few days to think about it and then all the LECs all get up and pi ss on the LBFO in front of glass and the rest of aag morons.

If the mec responded like this, then they did so with the MAJORITY OF THE PILOTS WISHES TO DO SO.

eaglefly 12-06-2014 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1777650)
MEC and Company negotiating today.

Another offer was supposed to be presented today. Hadn't heard yet of the results of that though. Meeting at ALPA H.Q., so perhaps they're finally willing to become reasonable.

Jersdawg 12-06-2014 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1777655)
Another offer was supposed to be presented today. Hadn't heard yet of the results of that though. Meeting at ALPA H.Q., so perhaps they're finally willing to become reasonable.

There was an offer presented according to one of the LEC reps. No other details, however.

PilotJ3 12-06-2014 11:48 AM



Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1777650)
MEC and Company negotiating today.

that a question or statement? if statement, what did your inside source tell you? This is what i am expecting, Glass presented another threat LBFO and our mec said well we dont know we will need a few days to think about it and then all the LECs all get up and pi ss on the LBFO in front of glass and the rest of aag morons.

If the mec responded like this, then they did so with the MAJORITY OF THE PILOTS WISHES TO DO SO.
It's a statement, no inside source here man.

They are in executive session now with the company negotiating.

buddies8 12-06-2014 12:01 PM

Really, as a current envoy pilot, i mean really, the dog has been kicked for so long it has no desire or the will to continue (pilots) shut this F'n place down and be done with it. It is a pi ss hole at best. Training sucks, schedules suck, treatment from management sucks, my paycheck sucks the airlpanes suck.

Spoiler 12-06-2014 12:20 PM

So tell how you really feel without sugar coating it

buddies8 12-06-2014 12:22 PM

I did sprinkle some powder sugar on top


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