Do they start with a 2014 hire date?

Ahhh yes......

I hope that's not a serious comment. Not good with textual sarcasm.:confused:

The latest batch were Nov 1998 hires. I finally figured out what you were asking. Flows are treated as new hires at AA. The only two differences that flows have are: we keep our vacation longevity, and we carry over our short term sick. In all other ways we are treated as new hires, including AA senority.

Wow it's amazing how much PSA scum has made it ls way into our conversation here. It's almost like the smell of concessions is an aphrodisiac to them, drawing them, making them want to drop their pants and bend over.

Someone said it best earlier so I'll just quote

If Envoy votes this in PSA and PDT can still keep their ID's backwards.

We aren't voting on this knowingly taking someone else's aircraft. We aren't voting on this knowingly expecting our co-workers to to take concessions to make our deal happen.

Eagle having to take a concessionary deal just to stay alive does not vindicate your scumbags. It actually only incriminated you more - your selfish acting caused this. You taking concessions to further yourselves at the expense of your fellow pilots still means you are scum and many of us will never let you forget that.

.....But it's ok for us to do the same exact thing.

Keep making yourself feel better by using PSA as a scapegoat. Our vote was about survival, the same way yours will be. The intention was never to harm another group, as you have convinced yourself of.

There are more yes voters at Eagle than there are at PSA right now.....Do you hate them too?

Fleet plan is 40 E-175's scheduled to be delivered between Nov 2015 and Aug 2017 with options for 90 additional E-175's.

Effective with the delivery of the 1st EMB-175 (Nov 2015) aircraft Envoy "824" Pilots will occupy 50% or minimum of 30 slots in a given month at American Airline new hire classes.

Protected Pilots Envoy Pilots will occupy 35% or minimum of 25 slots in a given month at American Airline new hire classes.

Effective with the delivery of the 40th EMB-175 (by Aug 2017) aircraft Envoy pilots will occupy 50% or minimum of 30 slots in a given month at American Airline new hire classes.

^^^^^^^^^This right here guys. Read this.

PSA had what? 15ish -700's and 35 -200's before their vote. Parker could've had new homes for those planes faster than most guys could snap their fingers into a job at a major.

The chest thumping is over. Envoy guys, just do what you think is best. If you want to deny jumpseats and call people scabs or this new made up word "modern day scabs", call it to your friends you envy so much at the majors. They did this to you. Not PSA, not Endeavor.

I keep thinking about the APC thread that has remained at the top of the regional forum for nearly a year now and I wonder what's changed?

"The Insanity of Concessions in 2014 (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 ... Last Page)"

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ns-2014-a.html

You can't make this stuff up folks....

The one written by a compass pilot who has upgraded off the no votes and if envoy voted no would slingshot his career?

The compass pilot already at Delta you mean? Since January...

Seriously are psa Pilots under a rock? So they would have shut you down. While shutting down envoys 250 airplanes then, and shutting down Piedmont,maybe also ending the air Willy contract?

I mean do you not at all get it, the stop the whip saw came from us, and heck me as I was on the mec. Sam pool created it.

We all joined this together for better or worst and we would have taken care of whoever fell short. But no you guys trampled everyone and got everyone on property in the left seat now. Your a joke, take your sob story and ram it. You hosed everyone. We finally had the ability to stop the madness and you guys stopped it.

I have no doubt Scott Kirby sat in front of your mec and said look how many 900s your gonna get and eventually the envoy 700s and you will all go to aa in five years and be captains. Just stop this end the whipsaw bull, and you guys ran in droves to do it. But yep now because of that envoy pilots have a shot gun to our head and we are hypocrites if we vote yes to get the planes we were promised during bankruptcy and not lose our current operation to you Mesa Piedmont and tran states. Heck thorow in gojetz somehow and every spineless bottom feeder would be enjoying the buffet of our pieces. Its sick.

The fact that you STILL think you ever had any leverage is borderline comical. What does AAG have left to do to prove to you they were never bluffing with their Comair threats? Sure they might not be able to completely shutter Eagle, but PSA, or Piedmont never had the security of your size.

What did "we all join?" and most importantly.....What would you have done, no, what COULD you have done if PSA or PDT had voted no and been shrunk or shutdown? Answer this question.

We all took this gamble together. Air willy too and silver and commutair. Many others. A real union we would have made sure United delta spirit and JetBlue gave immediate distressed carrier status to anyone getting shut down. Not to mention we teamed up on this we could have got guys on property other places that are regionals and hopefully got seniority.

But we will never know, because you guys wouldn't sign the Ffd pact, then took your deal knowing it was for massive growth at the expense Of stopping the whipsaw and now are making sick posts about don't scratch the paint on our 700s before we drop off the keys.

We voted no first followed by expressjet and rah to,stop the whipsaw and end this, and you stopped it. Not just to save yourself but to grow, take our planes, and now everyone who voted yes could his left seat.


How could you ever compare this to envoys shotgun to the head situation.

If this new TA is the same or worse than the original, why vote it in?

The votes have all been done with the threat of being shutdown so why give in now when it's not as good as before? Because the threat is real this time where no one thought it was before?

Just curious as I am no longer at Eagle but still have many friends there.

A real union would have us all on one seniority list with the same contract. FIFY

First of all this is a career, not a blackjack table. "gambling" gets you nowhere. Our union's opinion was that it was a sure thing that we would be shrunk, or shutdown. No one at PSA liked it, but we were told it was needed.

I shouldn't even respond to this part but it's so off the wall something needs to be said.........Seniority at another carrier? Give me a break man. You know that would never happen due to so many factors I could write a graduate thesis on it.

XJT, RAH, AWAC, Silver, and Commutair have literally nothing in common with the kind of negotiations that happen at WO carriers, other than the fact that we all fly regional acft. Stop fooling yourself.

As far as "sick posts," look no further than yourselves. The name calling, hate spewing, degrading nonsense all starts with YOU. Sure there have been a couple off the wall posts from PSA guys, and also that one idiot on Facebook but generally speaking PSA pilots have been pretty sedate in comparison to The Eagle blowhards. Any time a PSA pilot tries to rationally discuss the situation using facts some idiot like crusader or JT8D come on here and blast us with classless garbage like calling us slave ship drivers. How's that for a "sick post."

I know how the "shotgun to the head" feels, as much as you all keep telling yourselves that "we are different(better)."

That's my guess. I think the burn it down crowd really was of the feeling the company couldn't staff the flying otherwise. Now with base closures and aircraft leaving, they are getting cold feet.

Pretty much as spot on as it gets.

Their union did them a dis-service by convincing them of anything otherwise.

Enjoy explaining for the rest of your careers about why you voted yes. That goes for all yes voters, at all carriers, who just could not stand a little heat and consequently pull a ripcord, then hide behind FFD vs WO rationalizations. What was Parker going to do, shut us ALL down??

So you're voting no for the current TA then?

You had what? 2000 pilots at the time of your last vote? 30% of them voted yes. That's 600 pilots.

240 pilots voted yes at PSA.

Good luck getting on my jumpseat if you pass this horrible TA!!! If you pass this I will loose all respect for every pilot who works there. You will be letting down all of the people who worked hard to make changes. Don't be bullied around in the midst of the largest pilot shortage in history. Stand up for more than minimum wage. Hold your head high!

Gonna need an iphone app pretty soon to figure out who is allowed to jumpseat.

PSA
PDT
Eagle
Pinnacle
GoJet

All no-gos.

I'm so glad you've come up with the perfect solution to our problem.

:rolleyes:

pagey, relax... Take some deep breaths... No reason to panic just cause Envoy got a offer with E-jets in it. I know you want us to vote no so you can get our deal. We will vote what WE think is best for US. Relax...

Are you still a no vote?

This deal will not change PSA, we were never getting e-jets.

You were very vocal about how voting yes to concessions was wrong, scummy, etc. Now it's ok because "we think it's best for us?"

ENVOY presented with details on new contract
 

If everyone would have voted no I feel like everyone would be In a much much better predicament now with the quick upgrades still happening with better pay and work rules, really sucks going from a better paying Cfi job to the regionals. Just saying they couldn't have shut everyone down. Or at least I think..

Are you not a skywest pilot? When you get a real union, your opinion on CBAs will have some value.

So word is Vote this or eny shutsdown. The MEC knows something the rest of the commoners don't..


Good Luck.

10 000+ pilots at Eagle, RAH, Silver, XJT said NO but you still selfishly bend over, said yes and ruined it for all of us. I'm not saying people should vote yes or no. We will vote what's best for us. Keep your opinion to yourself.

Hahahahahahah! And this guy was preaching to the Piedmont Pilots. Lovely! Just Lovely.

Enjoy your E-Jets! Hahahahahahahaha

Don't worry Diva! After all the crap you talked your sh$t sandwich you're about too eat will taste much worse the PSA's and PDT's. This is great!!!

Wait till Republic's SenecaII jumps in here. Wonder where he is??

You don't keep your opinions to yourself but everyone else should?

gulp!!!! LOL Oh this is great!

So V1 are you guys lowering the bar now???

Double gulp! I hope you Envoy guys are smarter and don't fall for his bs! Hahahahahaha

So I guess Mainline American is going to be mad at you guys now! Hahahaha

Shooting Ducks in a Barrel!!!

Are your pants around your ankles yet? Here is a fresh take...PDT has applied for a 175 cert also. It may be a few years, but what makes you think you won't be flying for us eventually anyway, even with a yes vote? Leef voor uw oorzaak, sterven in een brand ;)

Wait Wait Wait.. Here it comes!! The Envoy Pilots will vote for what's best for them. Blahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha

MEC knows nothing more than we do. Moak cut the deal.

Voting NO again.

There will be a bunch of people saying there voting "No." But I say it will pass by about 70%. Just think if it don't pass and all those shiny 175's will go to all those carriers that can't staff them.