Hmm...Mesa?

Thank that little nugget NY rep and his croonies including S.Stool for the position envoy pilots are in.

Good Luck.

Such anger from a "former" Envoy pilot ?

LMAO !!! :D

actually the reps and the MEC are doing exactly as instructed BY THE PILOTS and not management as the previous sellout MEC.

Your adored friend tony and stooges gave the store away before bankruptcy, that is what we are left to deal with. When he lied and scammed a rigged vote for scope change in 2010, the outcome we are experiencing now is directly related to that. Did you vote yes for the scope change, if you did, then find a hole and bury yourself.

Yeah this PublicPhone guy is trying to simplify it. The truth of the matter is that the company offered zero fleet plan. The flow plan is 30 per month for the 824 only, and once the first 175 arrives on the property. The protected pilots stay at 35% flow until the 40th 175 arrives and then go at 50%. New hires will have a flow but the company won't say what it is until a later date.

I'd love to see a deal, if only to hose over the PSA scum from getting some new hires, and any of our FOs, but alas we are not PSA and won't bend over for a good old fashioned prison rape like they do.

If AAG wanted a deal, they knew these tenets were key, and things they were willing to offer before. If they came to the table and didn't offer that, then they never really wanted a deal. They just want to try and meter the shutdown is all. The day those 40 175s go elsewhere, even on paper, the flood gates will open and they won't be able to control it. This coming week will have some negative announcements, but I doubt they dare make the big one yet. I just hope our FOs have enough nads not to go work for Scabs like PSA.

they aren't scabs....rest pretty spot on though

Your post was making all kinds of sense right up until the point you used the word scab then you lost all credibility.

Ha, the same NO voters are going to the likes of PSA, Mesa etc. NY base will be next to go buh bye.

Good Luck!

Gloating over someone's misfortune is the height of bad taste. Never advocated banning anyone but you just earned my nomination.
Mods - what do you think??

Not flaming, but tell me if Im lying? You know that eny FOs are bailing to go to PSA. Check the PSA thread. The NY base announcement will be made soon according to my friend. Im sorry that things are going south at eny. Pilots took a gamble and lost.

Good luck.

You truly are useless. Please stop posting. If you wanna lurk, by all means.

And stop saying "good luck". You obvisously don't mean it.

PSA yes voters are indeed loathsome, scurrilous creatures, but the word scab should not be thrown about loosely without knowing its true meaning. They did not cross any picket line.

Nope, they aren't scabs. They are doing what ENY can't do.

1. Staff the airline
2. Upgrade FOs in 1yr.
3. Take ENY flying.

Good Luck.

No they are not scabs the new term for this is scum.

Rj, give it a rest. Aag was going to screw envoy from day one so f them if I am taking a freeze or pay cut. Next year psa and pdt will look as endeavor does. People bailing and unable to attract pilots. Why would someone wait to flow to what will be a LCC mainline as aa will be. When you can go to frontier and spirit today.

True, just a quick fix to your point.

The "protected pilots", go to 50% once the 41st airplane arrive into property, meaning the first option.

There's no real "enhanced flow", they just want to get rid of the SR guys while keeping us here hanging at 12yr pay.

I don't think there will be any "protected pilots" left by the time the 824 is done flowing.

SCAB is an acronym. Still Collecting All Benefits.

Any recommendations for SCUM?

Spineless Coalesce Under Management

You are already working for less. Our sequences keep on getting lower and lower credits times, while some of the "P"SCUMs are crediting 100+ hrs a month consistently. So maybe your perceived full pay till the last day has already come and gone. The company keeps on shifting block hours to the lower cost supplier and you are happy because we can't staff it? management is not throwing money to attract pilots or offering 300% because our very junior ones leave where they can upgrade sooner, which in turn benefits management the most.

The ENY MEC now realizes how we are losing this and every communication reflects the willingness to make a deal. It is time to understand our problem and move on.

You can't do that, you have to fight this to the end if for no other reason then how the group is and was collectively treating pilots at other carriers such as PSA. What are you going to do say sorry psa guys?

Don't fall over now!!

Allison you still here fighting for glass and company.
I don't gaf where the flying goes. Aag controls that and the aircraft assignments not I or any pilot group. Envoy can cease today, I don't give a F. Flow bee wanna bees can rot as far as I am concerned. It is these wanna bees that changed our scope well before bankruptcy because they are clueless as to what was in there contract.

Mec don't need a deal. 4 years to shut down 1000 pilots flow during this period. Another 800 hired elsewhere, we don't need to deal with aag. Time and numbers are on our side. Doug and glass can f themselves all day.
Same outcome with or without a deal. Envoy gone. Ground service company only. Just ask Pedro.

If only you could learn to take your own advice. :cool:

Agreed. It will get worse before its gets better though. Kinda like a cancer patient going through painful treatment to ultimately recover. It's worse when you're doing that but have to tolerate salesman like Allison (and others) desperately trying to sell you counterfeit placebos at the same time telling you "this" is your cure.

Be patient, stick it out and say no to the crooked salesman. ;)

Ok thanks.

If you don't care just leave. No one will miss you.

The planes will go to a lower bidder, yet you are standing for the industry? You fail to make a coherent statement based on facts.

You don't know 800 pilots will get hired somewhere else at a better pay. We have lost many to jobs they wouldn't have taken if it wasn't because people like you made assumptions based on fairy tales. What makes you think we have four years? So your 824 not all will get to go.

This is business for AAG and if you don't like it quit. Buddies and his band of nearsighted friends have made an impressive campaign and everything that it has been posted has been wrong. Time to give up haters.

You issued my post. I don't gaf about the junior or senior pilot, they equal voted and changed scope which has brought this scenario. You are correct I won't be missed just like your spineless position. Don't get cut sucking up to glass. You make assumptions on fairy tales.

How many yes votes got rid of lax, one. Rid of half ord, one. Rid of half dfw, one. Your yes vote has done more damage here than aag could.

Why don't you leave and just don't come around until you grow some balls

They want to shut it down well before that so they can use the FlowThrough bait elsewhere

If you're at Envoy and hoping something good will happen it's not. Look at buddies and realize that is 70% of your peers. The top are bitter old men that the industry passed by and the bottom are children being fed fairy tales and told to stand up for the industry.

I've got 1 week left and even that is too much. Good bye and good riddance.

Let it be known, that on this date in history, not a single **** was given.

'Prost'!!!!!!

actually we are not bitter old men, but you are a glass putts. truth hurts so i hope you ache a lot. BZZT is what would be considered someone who will walk over someone to better himself. BZZT, AllisonRR, rjpilot and a few more are weak persons who are afraid that they wont get to suck on that mainline lollipop but are willing g to bend anyone over to better themselves.

the only thing i am bitter about is this pilot group giving away scope protection we had because tony and scum said it was good, and most of these pilots would not know what there own contract said. So now we live out the consequences of the scope vote, not the AIP that was turned down. What is happening was planned well before the vote, planned in 2010.

the only scope protection eagle had was in the APA contract restricting feed to eagle.
exchanging sect 1 provision of following the planes (fragmentation policy terms - which would require the pilots to go with the planes )- for jobs at AA was a bonehead move.
personally, I doubt that the full 824 will make it much less those after that. Estimate that about 1/2 of the 824 will get their shot.
That will be the Team Tony legacy

but lets not forget the airplanes were transfered to AA and at that point the pilots would have been transfered to aa as per our previous scope, plus the arbitration ruling that went if an eagle aircraft is transfered, sold to another and those airplanes are flown on known eagle routes the pilots go with those planes. again the pilots would have transfered to aa. but they said no to that for a maybe pref hire at some future date, maybe.

Agreed. Eagle voted resoundingly for a concessionary 8 year contract then complains when other airlines do the same.

The Envoy, PSA and PDT pilots can beotch at each other all day long, but the odds are they will be merged a year or two after the mainline merges.

Great, then we have another east/west SLI battle. Ughhh this industry never changes.


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Never mind we were in bankruptcy for that vote and told if we didn't vote yes the judge would cram something worse down our throats. You can drag this horse out and beat it again when we're threatened with shutdown to take a concessionary contract.

Just wait until the seniority lists are merged. 8 year Envoy FO's will be saluting 1 year PSA Captains.

Envoy pilots are in a bind, you have too much heavy weight at the top of your seniority list to survive. Everytime an FO leaves Envoy and your seniority list shrinks, the cost of labor just continues to escalate.

The only thing that matters to American is 12/4 that's it, it's the key to everything including your merger.

The sect 1 mod was done before BK

You don't know the numbers
300 at the top does not make it THAT top heavy

My understanding is that it is 300 who don't want to flow. And you are right I don't understand the numbers.

Maybe a better way to analyze would be to ask how many pilots have 12 or more years with the company.