NO PSA CA should ever be saluted to. I can think of another hand gesture that they should be "blessed" with.

It's sad to see that pilots think their salary is the reason a company is uncompetitive.

Considering labor is generally any companies number 1 expense (with fuel costs being an airline exception), maybe you could elaborate on your viewpoint a little for us.

Look at Airways/AA proposed rates. I think they can pay regional pilots more.

Airways/AA aircraft carry twice the amount of passengers per airplane, essentially twice the revenue per pilot.

The real problem is you the pilot.

Airways/AA knows what you are willing to work for so they only offer so much money to the regional to do the flying. As long as you are willing to work for low pay, they are willing pay you low pay.

If you collectively say no I'm not willing to work for that kind of money, then they have no choice but to pay higher. That isn't happening with the current crop of pilots. Millenials on the other hand are smarter than the current crop of pilots. They are steering away from the industry because they know better.

You can't wish something into existence. What's the incentive for a corporation to give you an employee more money? What leverage do you have? Why should they care? It's no different than a Captain, you think he cares what an FO makes now that he's Captain? He cares only so much as it doesn't impact his earnings and earnings potential.

Even Kirby mentioned that Airways/AA could save 10's of millions of dollars having regional airlines doing some of their flying. The money is there. Just how we get it is the question.

And to comment on your statement about Mainline carrying more passengers...
True, but it will always be cheaper to put 40 passengers on a 50 seat jet than a 70.
And 65 on a 70 rather than a 90.....
You cannot fill a A380 from FAY to CLT.

That's called selling scope. Major airline pilots routinely sell scope to enrich themselves in exchange for giving flying away to a regional contractor.

If I may, I think you are looking at this situation upside down. Why try to "get it"? Why take on more flying at this level? You know 70 seat airplanes could be flown at the big airlines right?

Hell I've always thought that anything that is a jet should be at mainline.
Too bad that jet has sailed.

Fuel is the highest cost for airlines and this cost has been dropping steadily, combined with ticket price increases and all kinds of additional fees, all airlines are making record profits. There is no need or justification for any additional concessions by flight crews, and in fact we are long overdue for large increases to finally halt the total destruction of this profession/career.
The staffing issues at the lowest paying regionals(look at what's happening at Endeavor), are just getting started, and will only get worse in the coming years. Management has managed to decimate the pay and benefits to the point that no one can justify the huge expense required to become a professional pilot, only to make wages that qualify for food stamps.

Have you ever flown 6 legs with 50 people on the plane each time? Hmmm comes out to 300 people.

And yet I've had Eagle pilots get verbal with me in the van after 9e voted in our TA. hmm strange.

Honest question, what part of Eagle's BK contract effected the whole regional industry, like 9e's did?

They lowered the bar. It's one thing to take a 2-3 year contract out of bankruptcy, but an 8 year contract? You don't see how that affects other regionals?

Do you think Eagle's 16 year contract affected other regionals?

Haha, but for how long? Those 1 year wonders will be sitting on reserve for years as the more senior FO's upgrade and step over them.

But none of what you just said means you are getting more money. Your company doesn't have it to give to you. They have to negotiate that with the big airline.

Parking airplanes does not mean more money for you, it simply means parking airplanes.

Running out of pilots does not mean more money for you, it simply means running out of pilots.

Bottom line, they are not going to pay you more. They can't give you what they don't have. In any event set your sites higher, its best this entire regional system just close up shop. All these little airplanes are better off being flown by their parent airlines.

6 legs on a 737 with 150 people each time is 900 people.

What mainline carrier does 6 legs? I want to avoid that job....

All of them. Flying 737's is not all NYC to LAX. You still got to fly those 50 minute CLE to ORD flights.

I completely agree with you on this!!!!!!!

Amen! I would love for it to happen - as would most of us.

Even if the airplane and pay were the same, I would like the chance to work directly for mainline from the beginning and work my way up.

Remember, for every PSA or PDT contract, it just means more time spent at a regional as management justifies its means.

I've said before, there is a war going on. There will be winners, losers, cowards, and martyrs.

Eagle is still fighting the fight, but the real battle is at AA right now on scope. I'm pretty sure who will win this battle, but lets see how it plays out.

What is your guess on who wins this battle? I have no idea personally.

APA, no question. They have told Parker on multiple occasions they will not give on scope, and he just keeps asking for it. If it goes to arbitration, scope is off the table.

I'm sure there is a thread on it in the AA section somewhere.

As of last night, APA decided to continue talks. Today should have another announcement of some sort about it.

How will this mean more time spent at a regional???

I wouldn't expect a YES voting, bar lowering, pilot group to understand that the concept. We already tried to educate your group and failed. Figure it out yourself.

So you're saying everyone has to go to American? :rolleyes:

As long as regionals are way cheaper than mainline and regional pilots are willing to degrade themselves through endless concessions on their already grossly underpaid salaries and largely poor QOL, the regionals will expand at the expense of mainline jobs. It is a tragedy that this isn't patently obvious by now.

You mean as long as Mainline Pilots don't give up scope. Don't hate the players, hate the game.

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It works both ways. No matter how much you try to wash your hands they won't come clean.

Don't try to make someone else responsible.

Now your blaming mainline for the regional race to the bottom?

Are the to blame for regional existing? YES

Are they to blame for one pilot group undercutting another for SJS?

Look no further than the mirror for that answer.

Without the players the game is impossible. Therefore, I will continue to hate the players.

Only problem is you don't work for Piedmont.

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Does anybody think they are re shuffling everyone to knock down pay then a merger? This stuff will drive some wacko trying to figure it out! Ha I guess that's why management makes the big bucks!

What about the routes where it's only 30-50 people per leg?

@tom11011

Those are the ones you fly silly. :p

Yes, he does

He used to work for Piedmont.

Whatever you say.

Your sarcasm detector must be in the off position. I dunno why this is so important for you dude but whatever you want to believe, go for it.