ENVOY presented with details on new contract
#161
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Just wait until the seniority lists are merged. 8 year Envoy FO's will be saluting 1 year PSA Captains.
Envoy pilots are in a bind, you have too much heavy weight at the top of your seniority list to survive. Everytime an FO leaves Envoy and your seniority list shrinks, the cost of labor just continues to escalate.
The only thing that matters to American is 12/4 that's it, it's the key to everything including your merger.
Envoy pilots are in a bind, you have too much heavy weight at the top of your seniority list to survive. Everytime an FO leaves Envoy and your seniority list shrinks, the cost of labor just continues to escalate.
The only thing that matters to American is 12/4 that's it, it's the key to everything including your merger.
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The real problem is you the pilot.
Airways/AA knows what you are willing to work for so they only offer so much money to the regional to do the flying. As long as you are willing to work for low pay, they are willing pay you low pay.
If you collectively say no I'm not willing to work for that kind of money, then they have no choice but to pay higher. That isn't happening with the current crop of pilots. Millenials on the other hand are smarter than the current crop of pilots. They are steering away from the industry because they know better.
You can't wish something into existence. What's the incentive for a corporation to give you an employee more money? What leverage do you have? Why should they care? It's no different than a Captain, you think he cares what an FO makes now that he's Captain? He cares only so much as it doesn't impact his earnings and earnings potential.
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Even Kirby mentioned that Airways/AA could save 10's of millions of dollars having regional airlines doing some of their flying. The money is there. Just how we get it is the question.
And to comment on your statement about Mainline carrying more passengers...
True, but it will always be cheaper to put 40 passengers on a 50 seat jet than a 70.
And 65 on a 70 rather than a 90.....
You cannot fill a A380 from FAY to CLT.
And to comment on your statement about Mainline carrying more passengers...
True, but it will always be cheaper to put 40 passengers on a 50 seat jet than a 70.
And 65 on a 70 rather than a 90.....
You cannot fill a A380 from FAY to CLT.
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Even Kirby mentioned that Airways/AA could save 10's of millions of dollars having regional airlines doing some of their flying. The money is there. Just how we get it is the question.
And to comment on your statement about Mainline carrying more passengers...
True, but it will always be cheaper to put 40 passengers on a 50 seat jet than a 70.
And 65 on a 70 rather than a 90.....
You cannot fill a A380 from FAY to CLT.
And to comment on your statement about Mainline carrying more passengers...
True, but it will always be cheaper to put 40 passengers on a 50 seat jet than a 70.
And 65 on a 70 rather than a 90.....
You cannot fill a A380 from FAY to CLT.
If I may, I think you are looking at this situation upside down. Why try to "get it"? Why take on more flying at this level? You know 70 seat airplanes could be flown at the big airlines right?
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Fuel is the highest cost for airlines and this cost has been dropping steadily, combined with ticket price increases and all kinds of additional fees, all airlines are making record profits. There is no need or justification for any additional concessions by flight crews, and in fact we are long overdue for large increases to finally halt the total destruction of this profession/career.
The staffing issues at the lowest paying regionals(look at what's happening at Endeavor), are just getting started, and will only get worse in the coming years. Management has managed to decimate the pay and benefits to the point that no one can justify the huge expense required to become a professional pilot, only to make wages that qualify for food stamps.
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