ENVOY presented with details on new contract
11-16-2014, 11:51 AM
#121
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
Yeah this PublicPhone guy is trying to simplify it. The truth of the matter is that the company offered zero fleet plan. The flow plan is 30 per month for the 824 only, and once the first 175 arrives on the property. The protected pilots stay at 35% flow until the 40th 175 arrives and then go at 50%. New hires will have a flow but the company won't say what it is until a later date.
I'd love to see a deal, if only to hose over the PSA scum from getting some new hires, and any of our FOs, but alas we are not PSA and won't bend over for a good old fashioned prison rape like they do.
If AAG wanted a deal, they knew these tenets were key, and things they were willing to offer before. If they came to the table and didn't offer that, then they never really wanted a deal. They just want to try and meter the shutdown is all. The day those 40 175s go elsewhere, even on paper, the flood gates will open and they won't be able to control it. This coming week will have some negative announcements, but I doubt they dare make the big one yet. I just hope our FOs have enough nads not to go work for Scabs like PSA.
I'd love to see a deal, if only to hose over the PSA scum from getting some new hires, and any of our FOs, but alas we are not PSA and won't bend over for a good old fashioned prison rape like they do.
If AAG wanted a deal, they knew these tenets were key, and things they were willing to offer before. If they came to the table and didn't offer that, then they never really wanted a deal. They just want to try and meter the shutdown is all. The day those 40 175s go elsewhere, even on paper, the flood gates will open and they won't be able to control it. This coming week will have some negative announcements, but I doubt they dare make the big one yet. I just hope our FOs have enough nads not to go work for Scabs like PSA.
11-16-2014, 12:15 PM
#122
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
Ha, the same NO voters are going to the likes of PSA, Mesa etc. NY base will be next to go buh bye.
Good Luck!
Good Luck!
Mods - what do you think??
11-16-2014, 01:02 PM
#123
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
Not flaming, but tell me if Im lying? You know that eny FOs are bailing to go to PSA. Check the PSA thread. The NY base announcement will be made soon according to my friend. Im sorry that things are going south at eny. Pilots took a gamble and lost.
Good luck.
Good luck.
And stop saying "good luck". You obvisously don't mean it.
11-16-2014, 08:00 PM
#125
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No they are not scabs the new term for this is scum.
Rj, give it a rest. Aag was going to screw envoy from day one so f them if I am taking a freeze or pay cut. Next year psa and pdt will look as endeavor does. People bailing and unable to attract pilots. Why would someone wait to flow to what will be a LCC mainline as aa will be. When you can go to frontier and spirit today.
Rj, give it a rest. Aag was going to screw envoy from day one so f them if I am taking a freeze or pay cut. Next year psa and pdt will look as endeavor does. People bailing and unable to attract pilots. Why would someone wait to flow to what will be a LCC mainline as aa will be. When you can go to frontier and spirit today.
11-17-2014, 12:05 AM
#126
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
Yeah this PublicPhone guy is trying to simplify it. The truth of the matter is that the company offered zero fleet plan. The flow plan is 30 per month for the 824 only, and once the first 175 arrives on the property. The protected pilots stay at 35% flow until the 40th 175 arrives and then go at 50%. New hires will have a flow but the company won't say what it is until a later date.
I'd love to see a deal, if only to hose over the PSA scum from getting some new hires, and any of our FOs, but alas we are not PSA and won't bend over for a good old fashioned prison rape like they do.
If AAG wanted a deal, they knew these tenets were key, and things they were willing to offer before. If they came to the table and didn't offer that, then they never really wanted a deal. They just want to try and meter the shutdown is all. The day those 40 175s go elsewhere, even on paper, the flood gates will open and they won't be able to control it. This coming week will have some negative announcements, but I doubt they dare make the big one yet. I just hope our FOs have enough nads not to go work for Scabs like PSA.
I'd love to see a deal, if only to hose over the PSA scum from getting some new hires, and any of our FOs, but alas we are not PSA and won't bend over for a good old fashioned prison rape like they do.
If AAG wanted a deal, they knew these tenets were key, and things they were willing to offer before. If they came to the table and didn't offer that, then they never really wanted a deal. They just want to try and meter the shutdown is all. The day those 40 175s go elsewhere, even on paper, the flood gates will open and they won't be able to control it. This coming week will have some negative announcements, but I doubt they dare make the big one yet. I just hope our FOs have enough nads not to go work for Scabs like PSA.
The "protected pilots", go to 50% once the 41st airplane arrive into property, meaning the first option.
There's no real "enhanced flow", they just want to get rid of the SR guys while keeping us here hanging at 12yr pay.
11-17-2014, 02:31 PM
#128
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Originally Posted by buddies8
No they are not scabs the new term for this is scum.
Rj, give it a rest. Aag was going to screw envoy from day one so f them if I am taking a freeze or pay cut. Next year psa and pdt will look as endeavor does. People bailing and unable to attract pilots. Why would someone wait to flow to what will be a LCC mainline as aa will be. When you can go to frontier and spirit today.
Rj, give it a rest. Aag was going to screw envoy from day one so f them if I am taking a freeze or pay cut. Next year psa and pdt will look as endeavor does. People bailing and unable to attract pilots. Why would someone wait to flow to what will be a LCC mainline as aa will be. When you can go to frontier and spirit today.
Any recommendations for SCUM?
11-18-2014, 05:13 AM
#130
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Originally Posted by buddies8
No they are not scabs the new term for this is scum.
Rj, give it a rest. Aag was going to screw envoy from day one so f them if I am taking a freeze or pay cut. Next year psa and pdt will look as endeavor does. People bailing and unable to attract pilots. Why would someone wait to flow to what will be a LCC mainline as aa will be. When you can go to frontier and spirit today.
Rj, give it a rest. Aag was going to screw envoy from day one so f them if I am taking a freeze or pay cut. Next year psa and pdt will look as endeavor does. People bailing and unable to attract pilots. Why would someone wait to flow to what will be a LCC mainline as aa will be. When you can go to frontier and spirit today.
The ENY MEC now realizes how we are losing this and every communication reflects the willingness to make a deal. It is time to understand our problem and move on.
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