Doug Parker State of the Airline-Envoy
07-29-2015 | 12:37 PM
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Weird options too, dual HF radios, dual radar tuning heads, extra closets, yet no extra FA jumpseat up front. I'd be fine if I never flew them again but they seem to show up at my gate quite often.
07-29-2015 | 02:17 PM
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Envoy has been doing flying in MIA for Republic for flying they cannot staff after our base was shut down. Our NYC base is in closing as well. Our upgrade stands at 7 years...soon to be 8. 12 year guys are on reserve. All DFW trips are 4 days(25 year CA doing a 4 day trip?) with most lines being less than guarantee. We've had 2 concessionary contracts, they've given our planes away and stripped us of our name. After all that we are eeking out a better performance of airlines who are hiring CQFO's, offering jobs over the phone, have quick CA upgrades and are growing. Mesa's performance in DFW is abysmal and is becoming legendary. You made a point about overall airline performance and I made a counter point about a specific base and Mesa's failures there. Go back and read my post and stop being antagonistic.
At the expense of sounding harsh, is a senior Envoy captain that's about to flow upset he got a 72 hour line instead of 92 so the guy at the bottom could keep his job?
07-29-2015 | 02:27 PM
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Doesn't it seem reasonable that they watered down the lines if they are heavy on pilots. Seems like the other option would be to consolidate the lines and layoff the excess pilots. I am sure the Envoy mgmt is doing the best they can with what they have to work with. I doubt they have control over how many overall block hours they get.
At the expense of sounding harsh, is a senior Envoy captain that's about to flow upset he got a 72 hour line instead of 92 so the guy at the bottom could keep his job?
At the expense of sounding harsh, is a senior Envoy captain that's about to flow upset he got a 72 hour line instead of 92 so the guy at the bottom could keep his job?
I will say however, we will be hearing soon about several thousand more block hours from AAG for September from others who cannot staff it.
07-29-2015 | 02:37 PM
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Our management has told us they are experimenting with our lines and staffing to show AAG that we have the warm bodies for additional block hours. Yet when the lines are published we get all 4 day trips, less than guarantee and 11 day off lines. They need to fix the lies not lie more.
I will say however, we will be hearing soon about several thousand more block hours from AAG for September from others who cannot staff it.
I will say however, we will be hearing soon about several thousand more block hours from AAG for September from others who cannot staff it.
07-29-2015 | 05:44 PM
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Doesn't it seem reasonable that they watered down the lines if they are heavy on pilots. Seems like the other option would be to consolidate the lines and layoff the excess pilots. I am sure the Envoy mgmt is doing the best they can with what they have to work with. I doubt they have control over how many overall block hours they get.
At the expense of sounding harsh, is a senior Envoy captain that's about to flow upset he got a 72 hour line instead of 92 so the guy at the bottom could keep his job?
At the expense of sounding harsh, is a senior Envoy captain that's about to flow upset he got a 72 hour line instead of 92 so the guy at the bottom could keep his job?
07-29-2015 | 06:31 PM
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Doesn't it seem reasonable that they watered down the lines if they are heavy on pilots. Seems like the other option would be to consolidate the lines and layoff the excess pilots. I am sure the Envoy mgmt is doing the best they can with what they have to work with. I doubt they have control over how many overall block hours they get.
At the expense of sounding harsh, is a senior Envoy captain that's about to flow upset he got a 72 hour line instead of 92 so the guy at the bottom could keep his job?
At the expense of sounding harsh, is a senior Envoy captain that's about to flow upset he got a 72 hour line instead of 92 so the guy at the bottom could keep his job?
Honestly, a junior pilot here would be better off getting furloughed. They have no future here, may as well get out and move on early before they waste too much time here like the rest of us.
07-30-2015 | 12:37 PM
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Our management has told us they are experimenting with our lines and staffing to show AAG that we have the warm bodies for additional block hours. Yet when the lines are published we get all 4 day trips, less than guarantee and 11 day off lines. They need to fix the lies not lie more.
I will say however, we will be hearing soon about several thousand more block hours from AAG for September from others who cannot staff it.
I will say however, we will be hearing soon about several thousand more block hours from AAG for September from others who cannot staff it.
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