eaglefly

Another classic example here and really who is the "bitter" one between us ?

ag386

The same 4 or 5 seem awfully concerned about who I am as well. Not so much my message, which is already happening.

I really wasn't hired in 13. It was quite some time before that.

Eaglepilot84

Latest rumor is that the supposed February upgrade bid (keep in mind, we haven't had one in a few months and even that was about 20) has been postponed until March! These clowns are sabotaging the company by doing the exact opposite of everything that they should be doing for recruitment. Oh and we had 6 new-hires in the last class. Tricky Ricky strikes again and Charlie Bucket is not too happy!

Jersdawg

I read late summer on another forum. Let the good times roll.

envoy1

This is all quite disappointing if true. I'm currently in new hire training and on day one of indoc, we were told that everything was still in motion for all of us to upgrade in 2 1/2 years and flow to AA in under 6. Don't get me wrong, I'm really excited to be here. I would just question why they would tell us that if it wasn't true?

Ar Pilot

Weak troll skills, bra.

Buzzlightyear

Is it trolling if it's true? Every month that goes by with no bid vacancy current FO's fall another month behind whatever rainbow/unicorn projection our management spouts. Effectively needing to double whatever CA vacancy should have been announced in Dec, Jan and now Feb. Further and further behind our guys fall, on RSV, commuting, capped at 4th year pay, not upgrading, not flowing. But hey our performance numbers are great so everything's good right?

eaglefly

Unfortunately, there's history in embellished promises to new-hires there. Back in the late '90's up until Letter 3 expired, they made similar promises to new-hires then about flowing to AA in X years along with other rosy projections. When Letter 3 was announced in 1997, it was then projected that all Eagle pilots would be at AA in 5 years.

They were just a bit off.

chrisreedrules

Flows are more of a retention tool than a good hiring tool it would seem. At least that is what history tells us. Anyway, with PSA and now Envoy having a seemingly difficult time hiring... And other regionals offering far more enticing compensation and contracts, I would think that AAG has to do something if they want to keep their regionals afloat and competitive enough to attract new hires.

eaglefly

I think they know most present Envoy pilots won't leave any faster then they could anyway, regardless of how bad things get there. Everyone there who got an offer from a legacy would leave regardless of the situation at Envoy and they know that. Those who have apps in at LCC's and got offers, most would go and most have apps in at LCC's, expect those close to flowing in the 824 who are shooting craps on AA, so that component is a byproduct not of Envoy, but outside factors that Envoy can't control. The only "retention" wildcard I think they would target is consideration of lateral moves to other regionals and the only pilots likely to do that would be those with little or no investment in Envoy and with less then a year or two seniority. The past poll by Cujo proved most are committed to Envoy until someone calls with an offer they would go to anyway or...............well, they are committed after they crack-up (with some it sounds like, already well on the way).