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02-16-2016, 10:13 AM

#1141

snippercr

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Originally Posted by eaglefly

Unfortunately, there's history in embellished promises to new-hires there. Back in the late '90's up until Letter 3 expired, they made similar promises to new-hires then about flowing to AA in X years along with other rosy projections. When Letter 3 was announced in 1997, it was then projected that all Eagle pilots would be at AA in 5 years.

They were just a bit off.

But remember, they are not the same company - even you admitted that

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

Flows are more of a retention tool than a good hiring tool it would seem. At least that is what history tells us. Anyway, with PSA and now Envoy having a seemingly difficult time hiring... And other regionals offering far more enticing compensation and contracts, I would think that AAG has to do something if they want to keep their regionals afloat and competitive enough to attract new hires.

AAG likes WO carriers for one simple fact: it allows them to keep the profits in house. All things equal, they would rather have the flying in house at a WO carrier. However, if a non-WO carriers has even the slightest competitive edge such that costContractCarrier < costWOCarrier without the slightest hesitation, the flying will go there. If it comes to the point where the flow does not recruit enough people (where we are now) and the alternative is farm the flying out to non-WO carriers or give increased pay to the WO carriers, the flying WILL go to someone else. They can staff it for cheaper.

02-16-2016, 11:07 AM

#1142

eaglefly

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Originally Posted by snippercr

But remember, they are not the same company - even you admitted that

I certainly did, but that doesn't mean they aren't using the same playbook and that's what matters. If the same playbook is used (which is obvious and undeniable), it matters little who the company has become. That's one of the fundamental errors many have made there now. They assumed there was no difference and thus couldn't differentiate that which really governs the game. Now, it's starting to sink in and thus the skyrocketing heartburn that's occurring. Nothing has really changed there except the name and faces.

02-16-2016, 11:36 AM

#1143

CODs4ever

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Can any of the former Eagle guys tell me the name of the Chief Pilot (or even the Assistant Chief Pilot) at DFW back in 2004? Thanks in advance.

02-16-2016, 12:40 PM

#1144

AdiosMikeFox

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I think it was Scott Gies - not 100% sure.

02-16-2016, 01:48 PM

#1145

AdiosMikeFox

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Just checked some old docs; yes, it was Scott Gies.

And most of us are still "Eagle", despite what the company does to us, lol.

02-16-2016, 01:48 PM

#1146

adspilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear

Is it trolling if it's true? Every month that goes by with no bid vacancy current FO's fall another month behind whatever rainbow/unicorn projection our management spouts. Effectively needing to double whatever CA vacancy should have been announced in Dec, Jan and now Feb. Further and further behind our guys fall, on RSV, commuting, capped at 4th year pay, not upgrading, not flowing. But hey our performance numbers are great so everything's good right?

Better way to say it. "Don't p*** down my back and tell me it's raining."

02-16-2016, 02:07 PM

#1147

Bob Loblaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CODs4ever

Can any of the former Eagle guys tell me the name of the Chief Pilot (or even the Assistant Chief Pilot) at DFW back in 2004? Thanks in advance.

Why, you need some lovin'? It was Scott, who also loves sack.

02-16-2016, 03:01 PM

#1148

AdiosMikeFox

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Nicest guy to work at Starbucks, ever.

02-16-2016, 07:21 PM

#1149

CODs4ever

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox

Just checked some old docs; yes, it was Scott Gies.

And most of us are still "Eagle", despite what the company does to us, lol.

Thanks. Now that you mention the name, it sounds very familiar. I need it for an employment history, but couldn't find any files from back then.

02-17-2016, 04:08 AM

#1150

cr700

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear

The guy is trolling. Why don't you just sit back, relax and wait patiently? AAG knows what they are doing. As proven with USAir, they do what they say they are going to do.

The math and numbers that RW has put out have been run over and over by people way more competent that I, and trust me, they are good. Charlie Bucket will not be more than a month or two behind if that. I would still expect a 2.5 year upgrade for those hired today and a flow in 6 years or less. With the math that's been run and put out to ALPA and the pilot group, it's more or less a fact.

Add in the best work rules in the regional industry, it should make your time here go by in a breeze.