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02-18-2016 | 09:30 AM
#1241
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Best work rules in the industry? Lol. Like what? Name them.. 50% DH pay for our 5 DH's per trip?
We have the worst schedules in the industry, reserve is attrocious and lasts 3-4 years, 1/3 of the pilot group on reserve, 4am preassigned RAP's, ,daily contract violations, punative extension refusals, Fatigue calls changed to Missed Assignements, lowest pay credit lines in the industry with min days off to boot. 11-12 day off non commutable lines worth 68 hours are the average now, and they can't ever even pay us correct for that. More lies and Promises for the schedules to improve by March, yet they are the worst BY FAR I have seen in a decade. I don't know of any place worse in the industry right now.
Same as some others, I tried to give them another chance for 2016. They lied again. Things are worse than ever and have been getting worse every month. Nothing even remotely good has happened since our name changed to Envoy. That is a fact for you.
Last edited by RyanP; 02-18-2016 at 09:44 AM.
02-18-2016 | 09:40 AM
#1242
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Joined: Jul 2014
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From: Feito no Brasil, CA
We are getting plenty of interest out there. It's just some of the candidates aren't AA material in the end. That's what happens when you have one interview for your career airline job. Corporate wants to ensure they are hiring an AA pilot from day one.
We have some of the best work rules in the industry. Envoy isn't a bad place to be while you wait for your move over to AA. Envoy is moving ahead and very soon it will be at lightning speed. Anyone considering Envoy will want to get their apps in now to be on the front end of the wave. Yes, it's still a great time to be an Envoy pilot.
We have some of the best work rules in the industry. Envoy isn't a bad place to be while you wait for your move over to AA. Envoy is moving ahead and very soon it will be at lightning speed. Anyone considering Envoy will want to get their apps in now to be on the front end of the wave. Yes, it's still a great time to be an Envoy pilot.
As to your reply:
Additional flying: Slanted in ENY's favor - source? Proof? It's not the first time we've heard this. Right up there with better schedules just around the corner.
Upgrades: already multiple rumors that the next upgrade bid is small and has been pushed back. Why upgrade when we're still so fat on captains that are still here because we're metering, and because the flow will stall for the duration of the Letter T pilot's return? You also failed to address the training capacities required of both respective training centers to handle the upgrades, flow, and transitions in order to meet 2.5/6
Minimum flow: I know how the company is interpreting the 50%, but there is no 50% or 30, whichever the company feels like language. It's 50%, no more, no less. It was interesting how the company went with less than 50%, then took a week or two and said, "Oh yeah, forgot to mention it, we're metering. 'Cuz reasons..."
Hiring - Can't hire because of all the negativity online? Change the reasons for the negativity. It's been said a hundred times. Closed bases, lousy commutes, uncommutable lines, too few lines, too much reserve, draconian reserve changes, the list is almost unending. THIS is why hiring is difficult.
What's the reason for metering? Prove that staffing is required. Prove that metering is required. I'm starting to get suspicious that metering may be used as a justification to avoid true-up at the end of the year. Too big a backlog to push through training when combined with the flow halt due to the AA pilots return.
Unanswered: How will AA/ENY training be able to handle the massive movement that will allow 2.5/6 to happen, especially with the true-up? 2.5/6 will require every FO on the property as of May (thanks charliebucket.org for saving that useful but of info) last year to be upgraded by November of next year. Almost every captain on the property has to be gone by the same time. Dumping pilots in a pool because they got selected is not "flow". We could select everyone on the seniority list today and that wouldn't make them all "flow."
And lastly, I think there are many hundreds of pilots who are dealing with years of reserve, long commutes, awful lines, minimum days off and reduced pay due to low time lines that would disagree with you regarding your statement that ENY is such a great place to be.
Like I said. Last year I was on your side. This year ENY has failed. Prove to me and the prospective new hires out there why ENY's statements about upgrades, flow and bright future are real, because right now it's all hot air.
02-18-2016 | 10:42 AM
#1243
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Joined: Dec 2007
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From: middle seat in the back
Ok, so you are an ENY rep... Interesting.
Like I said. Last year I was on your side. This year ENY has failed. Prove to me and the prospective new hires out there why ENY's statements about upgrades, flow and bright future are real, because right now it's all hot air.
Like I said. Last year I was on your side. This year ENY has failed. Prove to me and the prospective new hires out there why ENY's statements about upgrades, flow and bright future are real, because right now it's all hot air.
02-18-2016 | 10:42 AM
#1244
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Joined: Jul 2014
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From: Feito no Brasil, CA
A quick check of your post history - I doubt my assessment of your position as a rep now. In your first couple of posts "Sit back, relax and let management work, they know what they're doing. Just like they did with the usair merger" or something to that effect.
YHGTBSM.
YHGTBSM.
02-18-2016 | 10:57 AM
#1245
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Joined: Jul 2010
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02-18-2016 | 11:44 AM
#1246
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Agreed, but it would have to benefit RAH in some way. I would think any 76-seaters be they E-Jet or CRJ would still be valuable and no one would just hand them over to AAG simply because they want them.
02-18-2016 | 11:44 AM
#1247
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Joined: Feb 2016
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Ok, so you are an ENY rep... Interesting.
As to your reply:
Additional flying: Slanted in ENY's favor - source? Proof? It's not the first time we've heard this. Right up there with better schedules just around the corner.
Upgrades: already multiple rumors that the next upgrade bid is small and has been pushed back. Why upgrade when we're still so fat on captains that are still here because we're metering, and because the flow will stall for the duration of the Letter T pilot's return? You also failed to address the training capacities required of both respective training centers to handle the upgrades, flow, and transitions in order to meet 2.5/6
Minimum flow: I know how the company is interpreting the 50%, but there is no 50% or 30, whichever the company feels like language. It's 50%, no more, no less. It was interesting how the company went with less than 50%, then took a week or two and said, "Oh yeah, forgot to mention it, we're metering. 'Cuz reasons..."
Hiring - Can't hire because of all the negativity online? Change the reasons for the negativity. It's been said a hundred times. Closed bases, lousy commutes, uncommutable lines, too few lines, too much reserve, draconian reserve changes, the list is almost unending. THIS is why hiring is difficult.
What's the reason for metering? Prove that staffing is required. Prove that metering is required. I'm starting to get suspicious that metering may be used as a justification to avoid true-up at the end of the year. Too big a backlog to push through training when combined with the flow halt due to the AA pilots return.
Unanswered: How will AA/ENY training be able to handle the massive movement that will allow 2.5/6 to happen, especially with the true-up? 2.5/6 will require every FO on the property as of May (thanks charliebucket.org for saving that useful but of info) last year to be upgraded by November of next year. Almost every captain on the property has to be gone by the same time. Dumping pilots in a pool because they got selected is not "flow". We could select everyone on the seniority list today and that wouldn't make them all "flow."
And lastly, I think there are many hundreds of pilots who are dealing with years of reserve, long commutes, awful lines, minimum days off and reduced pay due to low time lines that would disagree with you regarding your statement that ENY is such a great place to be.
Like I said. Last year I was on your side. This year ENY has failed. Prove to me and the prospective new hires out there why ENY's statements about upgrades, flow and bright future are real, because right now it's all hot air.
As to your reply:
Additional flying: Slanted in ENY's favor - source? Proof? It's not the first time we've heard this. Right up there with better schedules just around the corner.
Upgrades: already multiple rumors that the next upgrade bid is small and has been pushed back. Why upgrade when we're still so fat on captains that are still here because we're metering, and because the flow will stall for the duration of the Letter T pilot's return? You also failed to address the training capacities required of both respective training centers to handle the upgrades, flow, and transitions in order to meet 2.5/6
Minimum flow: I know how the company is interpreting the 50%, but there is no 50% or 30, whichever the company feels like language. It's 50%, no more, no less. It was interesting how the company went with less than 50%, then took a week or two and said, "Oh yeah, forgot to mention it, we're metering. 'Cuz reasons..."
Hiring - Can't hire because of all the negativity online? Change the reasons for the negativity. It's been said a hundred times. Closed bases, lousy commutes, uncommutable lines, too few lines, too much reserve, draconian reserve changes, the list is almost unending. THIS is why hiring is difficult.
What's the reason for metering? Prove that staffing is required. Prove that metering is required. I'm starting to get suspicious that metering may be used as a justification to avoid true-up at the end of the year. Too big a backlog to push through training when combined with the flow halt due to the AA pilots return.
Unanswered: How will AA/ENY training be able to handle the massive movement that will allow 2.5/6 to happen, especially with the true-up? 2.5/6 will require every FO on the property as of May (thanks charliebucket.org for saving that useful but of info) last year to be upgraded by November of next year. Almost every captain on the property has to be gone by the same time. Dumping pilots in a pool because they got selected is not "flow". We could select everyone on the seniority list today and that wouldn't make them all "flow."
And lastly, I think there are many hundreds of pilots who are dealing with years of reserve, long commutes, awful lines, minimum days off and reduced pay due to low time lines that would disagree with you regarding your statement that ENY is such a great place to be.
Like I said. Last year I was on your side. This year ENY has failed. Prove to me and the prospective new hires out there why ENY's statements about upgrades, flow and bright future are real, because right now it's all hot air.
Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing. Don't you want to flow? Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. I hear Frontier is hiring. Go fly that bus for half of your Envoy CA pay.
02-18-2016 | 11:57 AM
#1248
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I'm not claiming to be a rep. I am however, very much in the know as to the day to day decisions here. A quick check of your post history and by your own admission, you say you previously supported my position. I read the posts and that is obvious. Why the sudden change? You have to understand, it takes time for the 30,000 foot view to actually make it into actual concrete moves. Can you not see that here at Envoy?
Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing. Don't you want to flow? Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. I hear Frontier is hiring. Go fly that bus for half of your Envoy CA pay.
Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing. Don't you want to flow? Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. I hear Frontier is hiring. Go fly that bus for half of your Envoy CA pay.
02-18-2016 | 11:59 AM
#1249
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I'm not claiming to be a rep. I am however, very much in the know as to the day to day decisions here. A quick check of your post history and by your own admission, you say you previously supported my position. I read the posts and that is obvious. Why the sudden change? You have to understand, it takes time for the 30,000 foot view to actually make it into actual concrete moves. Can you not see that here at Envoy?
Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing. Don't you want to flow? Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. I hear Frontier is hiring. Go fly that bus for half of your Envoy CA pay.
Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing. Don't you want to flow? Otherwise, don't let the door hit you where the sun don't shine. I hear Frontier is hiring. Go fly that bus for half of your Envoy CA pay.
The onus is on you to back up what you are saying. And so far you haven't done any of that. If you're in the know as you claim, tell us some facts to support your position. Otherwise, you're just another poster on APC making a lot of empty noise.
02-18-2016 | 12:01 PM
#1250
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Ok, so you are an ENY rep... Interesting.
As to your reply:
Additional flying: Slanted in ENY's favor - source? Proof? It's not the first time we've heard this. Right up there with better schedules just around the corner.
Upgrades: already multiple rumors that the next upgrade bid is small and has been pushed back. Why upgrade when we're still so fat on captains that are still here because we're metering, and because the flow will stall for the duration of the Letter T pilot's return? You also failed to address the training capacities required of both respective training centers to handle the upgrades, flow, and transitions in order to meet 2.5/6
Minimum flow: I know how the company is interpreting the 50%, but there is no 50% or 30, whichever the company feels like language. It's 50%, no more, no less. It was interesting how the company went with less than 50%, then took a week or two and said, "Oh yeah, forgot to mention it, we're metering. 'Cuz reasons..."
Hiring - Can't hire because of all the negativity online? Change the reasons for the negativity. It's been said a hundred times. Closed bases, lousy commutes, uncommutable lines, too few lines, too much reserve, draconian reserve changes, the list is almost unending. THIS is why hiring is difficult.
What's the reason for metering? Prove that staffing is required. Prove that metering is required. I'm starting to get suspicious that metering may be used as a justification to avoid true-up at the end of the year. Too big a backlog to push through training when combined with the flow halt due to the AA pilots return.
Unanswered: How will AA/ENY training be able to handle the massive movement that will allow 2.5/6 to happen, especially with the true-up? 2.5/6 will require every FO on the property as of May (thanks charliebucket.org for saving that useful but of info) last year to be upgraded by November of next year. Almost every captain on the property has to be gone by the same time. Dumping pilots in a pool because they got selected is not "flow". We could select everyone on the seniority list today and that wouldn't make them all "flow."
And lastly, I think there are many hundreds of pilots who are dealing with years of reserve, long commutes, awful lines, minimum days off and reduced pay due to low time lines that would disagree with you regarding your statement that ENY is such a great place to be.
Like I said. Last year I was on your side. This year ENY has failed. Prove to me and the prospective new hires out there why ENY's statements about upgrades, flow and bright future are real, because right now it's all hot air.
As to your reply:
Additional flying: Slanted in ENY's favor - source? Proof? It's not the first time we've heard this. Right up there with better schedules just around the corner.
Upgrades: already multiple rumors that the next upgrade bid is small and has been pushed back. Why upgrade when we're still so fat on captains that are still here because we're metering, and because the flow will stall for the duration of the Letter T pilot's return? You also failed to address the training capacities required of both respective training centers to handle the upgrades, flow, and transitions in order to meet 2.5/6
Minimum flow: I know how the company is interpreting the 50%, but there is no 50% or 30, whichever the company feels like language. It's 50%, no more, no less. It was interesting how the company went with less than 50%, then took a week or two and said, "Oh yeah, forgot to mention it, we're metering. 'Cuz reasons..."
Hiring - Can't hire because of all the negativity online? Change the reasons for the negativity. It's been said a hundred times. Closed bases, lousy commutes, uncommutable lines, too few lines, too much reserve, draconian reserve changes, the list is almost unending. THIS is why hiring is difficult.
What's the reason for metering? Prove that staffing is required. Prove that metering is required. I'm starting to get suspicious that metering may be used as a justification to avoid true-up at the end of the year. Too big a backlog to push through training when combined with the flow halt due to the AA pilots return.
Unanswered: How will AA/ENY training be able to handle the massive movement that will allow 2.5/6 to happen, especially with the true-up? 2.5/6 will require every FO on the property as of May (thanks charliebucket.org for saving that useful but of info) last year to be upgraded by November of next year. Almost every captain on the property has to be gone by the same time. Dumping pilots in a pool because they got selected is not "flow". We could select everyone on the seniority list today and that wouldn't make them all "flow."
And lastly, I think there are many hundreds of pilots who are dealing with years of reserve, long commutes, awful lines, minimum days off and reduced pay due to low time lines that would disagree with you regarding your statement that ENY is such a great place to be.
Like I said. Last year I was on your side. This year ENY has failed. Prove to me and the prospective new hires out there why ENY's statements about upgrades, flow and bright future are real, because right now it's all hot air.
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