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I need to add: the overarching reason management gets zero support from the front line is that we get ZERO information about the future other than what amounts vapor. Pilots deal in hard numbers, concrete statements, shall and must. In absence of those numbers, everything is a no-go decision. Management's unwillingness to provide any concrete numbers (SOP) is at the forefront of my and everyone else's disbelief. Put those numbers out. Here or in an official email to the employees. Then I'll believe you. Otherwise, the pilot group is all too used to broken promises.

 

It's getting like that at mainline too.

 

Well, in the past they were really good. Right now its pretty bad. AAG divides up who gets what flights and right now we are getting the left overs. So until AAG gives us better flying i.e. more turns during he middle of the day then we will be stuck with really low time lines, all 4 day trips, hard to commute, and lost day lines.

They have been saying its going to get better for the past 6-8 months.

 

Cr700,

You claim things are great at envoy. You say "Why spew the hate and vitriol against the company who pays you well now as you very much have in your recent posts? I suggest to take a deep breath, relax and just be patient. The company knows what they are doing."

Perhaps you should leave your office over at headquarters and see how line pilots feel about envoy. Eagle was a great place to work at one time, but those days (and name) are long gone. Our QOL and pay are much less than they were just a few years ago.

The hate and vitriol being thrown about is due to frustration. Management frequently promises things will be better (much like a drug addict or alcoholic) yet, seem to go out of their way to not make it happen. Our work rules are not some of the best in the industry. What the rules say doesn't rely matter anyway, though, since you will "creatively" reinterpret them. Envoy isn't just in a shallow dive, management is pushing the stick full forward with the draconian one sided policies implemented within the last year or two.

You say management knows what they are doing, and I believe your are correct. The problem is, what they are doing isn't making envoy a great or desirable place to work. Other regional airlines are getting improvements to pay and QOL, yet we just continue to get empty promises, bad news, and violations of our already substandard contact. Potential new hires know it. Charlie Bucket better brace for disappointment.

 

Thank you all for the posts about the lines and rsv

 

Good luck with your decision.

 

100% this.

Lines here used to be pretty da*n good. The worst we complained about was not having enough 3 on/ 4 off lines. Or not enough day trips for the local guys. 15, 16, 17 days off and 78-80 hour lines.

Now? 4 on 2, maybe 3 off. 12 days off total. If you don't have to commute on your day off. That could easily reduce your 12 days off to 8 full days at home. Or less.


Cr700 - I'll be the first to tell the naysayers to shove it. I'll be on your side. Eagle used to arguably be the top regional airline. Give me a reason to say ENY is top of the heap. Not "promises".

 

They can put all the numbers out they want. 2.5/6 is an example.

Until you see it on the ramp/ in the bid pack, it doesn't matter. It's just talk.

 

For Charlie bucket to upgrade by December 2017 we need to upgrade 43 per month every month for the next 21 months straight. Over/under. Any takers!?

 

The only possible explanation for this level of delusion is that cr700 is management.

Pays us well? Yea, that's laughable. They get our paychecks wrong so often, the union had to come up with a spreadsheet for pilots to audit their own paychecks. The company has literally been stealing thousands of dollars from the pilot group every pay period. Oh, and find an error? Expect to see the correction in two months. But when the company miraculously discovers an error in a pilot's favor, well by god it's coming out your next paycheck! Funny how that works. Let's not forget the 12/4 year pay scales the company forced down our throats, the change in policy to make a 117 duty extension refusal either a fatigue or sick call (both punitive), and the refusal to pay CA pay to individuals that had someone junior to them upgrade out of seniority order like the contract and 15+ years of precedent said they should have ($5k to 20 pilots affected.) And that's just the tip of the iceberg!

The company does know exactly what they are doing. They are screwing us in every way possible, violating the contract in any way they want, and then blowing smoke up our ass and telling us "good news is right around the corner" to avoid an implosion of epic proportions.