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#1301
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 679
#1302
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
At home. On weekends. Like most every weekend. And extended holidays. Thinking life on the line can't be so bad. If he thinks about what we deal with at all. Probably just thinks we're a pain in the butt for interrupting his time off if something requires his attention. Not having to cram all his life into a couple days off. Not having to simultaneously recover from a 4 day trip and prepare for the stress of a commute back and another 4 days away. So what if he sits at a desk. Nobody complains anymore, right?
#1303
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 134
#1305
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
I hope the only thing the MEC says to Dic and Pedro tomorrow is "******* you". Our MEC should not work with these two anymore. Dic and Pedro have created an atmosphere that is negative. The rank and file will not come around to these two. They have lost us. Just like when a coach loses the locker, they never gain it back, and that is what these two have done. The rank and file want to quit over working with these two. This company cannot regain forward moment until they are gone, as we won't move and even if we did Pedro and Dic have no clue how to be leaders and created a posive plan. Bye, Dic and Pedro.
#1306
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Posts: 248
I hope the only thing the MEC says to Dic and Pedro tomorrow is "******* you". Our MEC should not work with these two anymore. Dic and Pedro have created an atmosphere that is negative. The rank and file will not come around to these two. They have lost us. Just like when a coach loses the locker, they never gain it back, and that is what these two have done. The rank and file want to quit over working with these two. This company cannot regain forward moment until they are gone, as we won't move and even if we did Pedro and Dic have no clue how to be leaders and created a posive plan. Bye, Dic and Pedro.
I am assuming your post is in response to this:
Fellow Pilots,
For better or worse, I’ve shied away from sending large quantities of emails extolling my personal opinions. There were three conscious reasons for this. Number one: it was difficult to obtain from AAG accurate, forward-looking information regarding Envoy that was reliable enough to transmit. I don’t want to send incomplete or outright wrong information upon which career choices might be made. Two: I purposefully didn’t want my personality substituting for the collective voice of the MEC nor the voice of the MEC committees. The MEC under my watch is about teamwork and volunteers pulling together, and I didn’t want to distract from that or come between you and those working hard on your behalf. The third reason, and the reason for this email, is that I want management to speak directly to – and take action for – the Envoy pilots, and take ownership of the culture and morale here.
There’s a lot of good that ALPA can do — and does on a daily basis – but we don’t run the airline. We don’t control whether or not Envoy is an entity you’d be willing to go the extra mile for. We don’t control whether or not this is the kind of work environment you’d recommend to potential recruits.
2015 started with management turning away from a historically adversarial relationship with our pilot group and had all appearances of being a year where we would work together to beat our industry competitors. Contract and QOL enhancements in early 2015 forecasted a brighter future and, I think, engendered a can-do team spirit that led to actual teamwork and superior operational performance. Sadly, the year 2015 has ended – and 2016 has begun – on what appears to be a different note, with a flagging collective morale among our team.
Simultaneously, our peer competitors are witnessing gains in economics and quality of life while we languish with an industry lagging CBA. Recruitment and retention initiatives flourish elsewhere, but none are imminent here other than the Cadet program and our flow-through.
This brings me back to my third point above: management sets the tone and creates the culture. But I can offer my opinion in a forum such as this. In my opinion management must quickly:
1) Provide clarity regarding Envoy’s future. For months there have been rumors swirling of changes to our fleet plan, and our pilots deserve to know whether our fleet plan will remain stagnant or be hull positive or hull negative. Envoy has earned the right to be shell positive, and this news can’t come soon enough. Career choices will be made upon this information.
2) Create meaningful recruitment and retention initiatives. This is months overdue. AAG management believes there is value in our flow-through which allows them to keep our CBA discounted to other carriers. There is some element of truth to this, however the gap between our economics and OAL economics is quickly widening to the point where Envoy is no longer competitive among Part121 pilots. AAG must allow Envoy to quickly take steps to retain the talented pilots we have and create the conditions that will attract new hires.
3) Work to produce better schedules for commuters. AAG’s Network Planning must assign to Envoy flying that enables more commuter friendly schedules and Envoy’s management must discontinue their practice of holding back the best schedules in the name of spreadsheet efficiency. Envoy has contracted from having domiciles around the country to having only ORD and DFW, both in the middle of the country. Our schedules must simply take this into account. Bluntly, commuting is not a choice for many of our coworkers who have given up after uprooting their families’ multiple times this decade (imagine moving from BOS to SJU to MIA to NYC in an attempt to live in domicile!). Further, many of our pilots know they’ll soon flow to American Airlines, which likely has a domicile close to their present home.
I have remained engaged with management regarding these topics (and more) on a regular basis. I’ve offered input and advice as to what the MEC believes will build upon the positive elements of early 2015 but, ultimately, I don’t make the decisions nor do I write the checks.
Pedro Fábregas and Envoy management will visit with the MEC on Monday, February 22nd, and it’s my hope they’ll be sharing plans for how and when the above concerns can be addressed by Envoy and AAG. For our team, the news can’t come soon enough.
Moving forward in 2016, I’m going to start putting pen to pad more often with the intention of sharing my opinion and the best available information. Meanwhile, don’t hesitate to email me for any reason at [email protected].
In Unity,
#1307
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
I am assuming your post is in response to this:
Fellow Pilots,
For better or worse, I’ve shied away from sending large quantities of emails extolling my personal opinions. There were three conscious reasons for this. Number one: it was difficult to obtain from AAG accurate, forward-looking information regarding Envoy that was reliable enough to transmit. I don’t want to send incomplete or outright wrong information upon which career choices might be made. Two: I purposefully didn’t want my personality substituting for the collective voice of the MEC nor the voice of the MEC committees. The MEC under my watch is about teamwork and volunteers pulling together, and I didn’t want to distract from that or come between you and those working hard on your behalf. The third reason, and the reason for this email, is that I want management to speak directly to – and take action for – the Envoy pilots, and take ownership of the culture and morale here.
There’s a lot of good that ALPA can do — and does on a daily basis – but we don’t run the airline. We don’t control whether or not Envoy is an entity you’d be willing to go the extra mile for. We don’t control whether or not this is the kind of work environment you’d recommend to potential recruits.
2015 started with management turning away from a historically adversarial relationship with our pilot group and had all appearances of being a year where we would work together to beat our industry competitors. Contract and QOL enhancements in early 2015 forecasted a brighter future and, I think, engendered a can-do team spirit that led to actual teamwork and superior operational performance. Sadly, the year 2015 has ended – and 2016 has begun – on what appears to be a different note, with a flagging collective morale among our team.
Simultaneously, our peer competitors are witnessing gains in economics and quality of life while we languish with an industry lagging CBA. Recruitment and retention initiatives flourish elsewhere, but none are imminent here other than the Cadet program and our flow-through.
This brings me back to my third point above: management sets the tone and creates the culture. But I can offer my opinion in a forum such as this. In my opinion management must quickly:
1) Provide clarity regarding Envoy’s future. For months there have been rumors swirling of changes to our fleet plan, and our pilots deserve to know whether our fleet plan will remain stagnant or be hull positive or hull negative. Envoy has earned the right to be shell positive, and this news can’t come soon enough. Career choices will be made upon this information.
2) Create meaningful recruitment and retention initiatives. This is months overdue. AAG management believes there is value in our flow-through which allows them to keep our CBA discounted to other carriers. There is some element of truth to this, however the gap between our economics and OAL economics is quickly widening to the point where Envoy is no longer competitive among Part121 pilots. AAG must allow Envoy to quickly take steps to retain the talented pilots we have and create the conditions that will attract new hires.
3) Work to produce better schedules for commuters. AAG’s Network Planning must assign to Envoy flying that enables more commuter friendly schedules and Envoy’s management must discontinue their practice of holding back the best schedules in the name of spreadsheet efficiency. Envoy has contracted from having domiciles around the country to having only ORD and DFW, both in the middle of the country. Our schedules must simply take this into account. Bluntly, commuting is not a choice for many of our coworkers who have given up after uprooting their families’ multiple times this decade (imagine moving from BOS to SJU to MIA to NYC in an attempt to live in domicile!). Further, many of our pilots know they’ll soon flow to American Airlines, which likely has a domicile close to their present home.
I have remained engaged with management regarding these topics (and more) on a regular basis. I’ve offered input and advice as to what the MEC believes will build upon the positive elements of early 2015 but, ultimately, I don’t make the decisions nor do I write the checks.
Pedro Fábregas and Envoy management will visit with the MEC on Monday, February 22nd, and it’s my hope they’ll be sharing plans for how and when the above concerns can be addressed by Envoy and AAG. For our team, the news can’t come soon enough.
Moving forward in 2016, I’m going to start putting pen to pad more often with the intention of sharing my opinion and the best available information. Meanwhile, don’t hesitate to email me for any reason at [email protected].
In Unity,
Fellow Pilots,
For better or worse, I’ve shied away from sending large quantities of emails extolling my personal opinions. There were three conscious reasons for this. Number one: it was difficult to obtain from AAG accurate, forward-looking information regarding Envoy that was reliable enough to transmit. I don’t want to send incomplete or outright wrong information upon which career choices might be made. Two: I purposefully didn’t want my personality substituting for the collective voice of the MEC nor the voice of the MEC committees. The MEC under my watch is about teamwork and volunteers pulling together, and I didn’t want to distract from that or come between you and those working hard on your behalf. The third reason, and the reason for this email, is that I want management to speak directly to – and take action for – the Envoy pilots, and take ownership of the culture and morale here.
There’s a lot of good that ALPA can do — and does on a daily basis – but we don’t run the airline. We don’t control whether or not Envoy is an entity you’d be willing to go the extra mile for. We don’t control whether or not this is the kind of work environment you’d recommend to potential recruits.
2015 started with management turning away from a historically adversarial relationship with our pilot group and had all appearances of being a year where we would work together to beat our industry competitors. Contract and QOL enhancements in early 2015 forecasted a brighter future and, I think, engendered a can-do team spirit that led to actual teamwork and superior operational performance. Sadly, the year 2015 has ended – and 2016 has begun – on what appears to be a different note, with a flagging collective morale among our team.
Simultaneously, our peer competitors are witnessing gains in economics and quality of life while we languish with an industry lagging CBA. Recruitment and retention initiatives flourish elsewhere, but none are imminent here other than the Cadet program and our flow-through.
This brings me back to my third point above: management sets the tone and creates the culture. But I can offer my opinion in a forum such as this. In my opinion management must quickly:
1) Provide clarity regarding Envoy’s future. For months there have been rumors swirling of changes to our fleet plan, and our pilots deserve to know whether our fleet plan will remain stagnant or be hull positive or hull negative. Envoy has earned the right to be shell positive, and this news can’t come soon enough. Career choices will be made upon this information.
2) Create meaningful recruitment and retention initiatives. This is months overdue. AAG management believes there is value in our flow-through which allows them to keep our CBA discounted to other carriers. There is some element of truth to this, however the gap between our economics and OAL economics is quickly widening to the point where Envoy is no longer competitive among Part121 pilots. AAG must allow Envoy to quickly take steps to retain the talented pilots we have and create the conditions that will attract new hires.
3) Work to produce better schedules for commuters. AAG’s Network Planning must assign to Envoy flying that enables more commuter friendly schedules and Envoy’s management must discontinue their practice of holding back the best schedules in the name of spreadsheet efficiency. Envoy has contracted from having domiciles around the country to having only ORD and DFW, both in the middle of the country. Our schedules must simply take this into account. Bluntly, commuting is not a choice for many of our coworkers who have given up after uprooting their families’ multiple times this decade (imagine moving from BOS to SJU to MIA to NYC in an attempt to live in domicile!). Further, many of our pilots know they’ll soon flow to American Airlines, which likely has a domicile close to their present home.
I have remained engaged with management regarding these topics (and more) on a regular basis. I’ve offered input and advice as to what the MEC believes will build upon the positive elements of early 2015 but, ultimately, I don’t make the decisions nor do I write the checks.
Pedro Fábregas and Envoy management will visit with the MEC on Monday, February 22nd, and it’s my hope they’ll be sharing plans for how and when the above concerns can be addressed by Envoy and AAG. For our team, the news can’t come soon enough.
Moving forward in 2016, I’m going to start putting pen to pad more often with the intention of sharing my opinion and the best available information. Meanwhile, don’t hesitate to email me for any reason at [email protected].
In Unity,
#1309
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
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