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11-12-2015, 04:21 PM
#112
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Originally Posted by Cujo664
You can lead a horse to water, you just can't force him to drink. I've already given you all the FACTS. 2.5 year upgrade and 6 year flow to AA. I'm sorry you missed the boat but it's a different time now. Yes, I'm flowing by the way. And the "New Seven Fives" will just make it all the better. Potentially 450 additional CA slots as the flow continues. There's few things in life that are sure. Death and taxes are two. Envoy flow to AA is as close to a lock as you can get. You can take that to the bank.
He is also posting things I've never heard or said, while using a screen name designed to make you think he's me. He isn't.
11-12-2015, 05:02 PM
#113
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Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by Cujo665
Please note that this guy is not me.
He is also posting things I've never heard or said, while using a screen name designed to make you think he's me. He isn't.
He is also posting things I've never heard or said, while using a screen name designed to make you think he's me. He isn't.
I heard you've essentially become persona non-grata with the MEC inner circle now and that was before that critical email to you from the MEC chair was aired on EL today.
It's a very unfortunate turn of events.
11-13-2015, 05:48 AM
#114
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 101
Originally Posted by eaglefly
More biased perception due to bad comprehension. 
I'm not urging people not to come to Envoy, that's simply error based on hysteria. ALL, I'm saying is that those who represent the flow to AA as "guaranteed" in any period of time are themselves doing the misrepresenting.
I could say I don't know what the point of the continued hard sell is, but that isn't true. Some are simply desperate to get pilots........anyone to come to Envoy based on misrepresented or embellished assumptions. It serves their own interests. I'm not ruining anything, you just disagree with me and that my friend is a basic by-product of this forum.
Censorship is not and shouldn't be.
I'm not urging people not to come to Envoy, that's simply error based on hysteria. ALL, I'm saying is that those who represent the flow to AA as "guaranteed" in any period of time are themselves doing the misrepresenting.
I could say I don't know what the point of the continued hard sell is, but that isn't true. Some are simply desperate to get pilots........anyone to come to Envoy based on misrepresented or embellished assumptions. It serves their own interests. I'm not ruining anything, you just disagree with me and that my friend is a basic by-product of this forum.
Censorship is not and shouldn't be.
11-13-2015, 06:53 AM
#116
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Position: Semi-Retired...
Posts: 3,123
Originally Posted by eaglefly
If by "you" you mean me Mason (since I'm his target, that makes sense), I know you are different people. I can understand your concern though as you seem to have enough trouble as it is with the MEC once again unhappy with your internet behavior and your relationship with many of the other reps on the skids.
I heard you've essentially become persona non-grata with the MEC inner circle now and that was before that critical email to you from the MEC chair was aired on EL today.
It's a very unfortunate turn of events.
I heard you've essentially become persona non-grata with the MEC inner circle now and that was before that critical email to you from the MEC chair was aired on EL today.
It's a very unfortunate turn of events.
11-13-2015, 07:37 AM
#118
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 122
Originally Posted by Skyvector
Congratulations on being extremely short sighted. Where can a new hire go and get paid more?
Oh, first year pay at Regional A or B is $40/hour?? And so what? You will be making that for the next decade as you spin your wheels in place.
In case you haven't figured it out yet: Majors don't hire Regional pilots just because they have 1,000 hours in the left seat of an RJ. They have 11,000+ applications on file, per airline, of people far more qualified than your average Regional pilot.
With a flow through agreement like Envoy's, you will start at average FO pay, and within 5 or 6 years be where the REAL MONEY is: A MAJOR airline. And you got there by having just ONE interview: the one you did to get hired at Envoy.
Meanwhile everyone else who went to non-wholly owned Regionals are still there 6 years later...wasting their money and precious days off attending job fairs. All of a sudden that $40/hour 1st year FO pay doesn't seem worth it in the long run.
Long term vs short term monetary gain. It isn't a complex principle that requires a degree in mathematics to figure out.
Oh, first year pay at Regional A or B is $40/hour?? And so what? You will be making that for the next decade as you spin your wheels in place.
In case you haven't figured it out yet: Majors don't hire Regional pilots just because they have 1,000 hours in the left seat of an RJ. They have 11,000+ applications on file, per airline, of people far more qualified than your average Regional pilot.
With a flow through agreement like Envoy's, you will start at average FO pay, and within 5 or 6 years be where the REAL MONEY is: A MAJOR airline. And you got there by having just ONE interview: the one you did to get hired at Envoy.
Meanwhile everyone else who went to non-wholly owned Regionals are still there 6 years later...wasting their money and precious days off attending job fairs. All of a sudden that $40/hour 1st year FO pay doesn't seem worth it in the long run.
Long term vs short term monetary gain. It isn't a complex principle that requires a degree in mathematics to figure out.
For example, three of my good buddies from intial long term left Envoy during all the fun we had last year. Two went to a fast growing regional (not PSA) and one went to a cargo company out of MIA now a FO on the 767. The other two are both captains, and one who is a great guy just got hired as a sim instructor at that regional and will make more than our sim instructors. Their resumes are now a lot more competitive than mine.
I'm still at Envoy going on three years still on reserve, and don't break guarentee unless I pick up overtime. Since some on here describe the flow as a guarentee and think it's the only way to a major or at least AA, I beg to differ.
There is a lot of opportunity out there, if Envoy fits your needs the by all means come. But if its because you want a guaranteed job at AA, I would say be careful. Find what you think is the best opportunity and run with it.
Another thing to consider, most captains at Envoy have crossed out any other opportunity out there. They are not applying for LCCs, ULCC, or even other majors. There are a handful I've flown with who are applying for United. I'm dallas based, not sure about ORD. But around here everybody's waiting on flow, which in my opinion slows movement down considerably.
Last edited by PilotLife4me; 11-13-2015 at 07:51 AM.
11-13-2015, 08:53 AM
#119
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