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11-11-2015, 02:06 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
By your own admission kid, in July 2015 the flow FAILED under Parker. It doesn't matter what was done to correct that later.
11-11-2015, 02:45 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
By your own admission kid, in July 2015 the flow FAILED under Parker. It doesn't matter what was done to correct that later. But that was NOT my point, only your misguided ramblings to try and convince yourself and others your world of fantasy based on assumptions, projections and hypotheticals is unalterable.
It has NOTHING to do with me, that is simply also a byproduct of your obviously delusion-based existence. Again, claiming that it's certain the flow will not change or stop based on what happened yesterday, last month or a year ago is silly. I strongly doubt anyone here takes your desperate veiled pleading and begging, nor your overt selling here seriously either.
But by all means...............carry on ! If anything, it's entertaining. Demented and sad, but entertaining.
It has NOTHING to do with me, that is simply also a byproduct of your obviously delusion-based existence. Again, claiming that it's certain the flow will not change or stop based on what happened yesterday, last month or a year ago is silly. I strongly doubt anyone here takes your desperate veiled pleading and begging, nor your overt selling here seriously either.
But by all means...............carry on ! If anything, it's entertaining. Demented and sad, but entertaining.
If I was a new hire, I would definitely go to PDT or Envoy, get the flow in the back pocket and keep applying to other mayors, including AA.
I know several guys (civilian all of them and not previous interns at AA), that got hired off the street from envoy to AA.
11-11-2015, 03:02 PM
#83
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
Actually it does matter. It shows that even envoys biggest hater eaglefly admits the flow is working as advertised and when a mistake was made, they corrected the mistake three fold the next chance they had. AAG has done everything they have promised so far.
My condolences in living with your apparent reality. I hope your fantasy and reality merge someday. If not, I think your best bet is to convince yourself of a new fantasy that works for you.
11-11-2015, 04:01 PM
#84
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Come on Eaglefly, here is your chance, tell us how the flow has failed under Parker. All you have to say is, they could, they can, but what if... For someone that is so critical of promise and speculation, it seems like that is all you have. At least I can point to official policy and actual past practice.
Future pilots need your wisdom!
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11-11-2015, 04:46 PM
#85
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
Come on Eaglefly, here is your chance, tell us how the flow has failed under Parker. All you have to say is, they could, they can, but what if... For someone that is so critical of promise and speculation, it seems like that is all you have. At least I can point to official policy and actual past practice.
Future pilots need your wisdom!
Future pilots need your wisdom!
Supposedly AA plans 750 new-hires next year and from what I hear everyone be it recall or another carriers flow is supposedly a new-hire, so you'd think that means 375 Envoy flows. But already, the projection has been lowered to "200-300", so it looks as though they already are lowering your expectations. Just weeks ago, all I heard was the trumpets blowing about 30/month starting in January or 360 next year, but that looks doubtful. If say 250 go next year, at that rate it will take till close to the end of 2017 just to get through the 824.
Will 30 go in January ?
I have my doubts. Although I'll take no pleasure in seeing hopeful Envoy pilots delayed in going to AA by a slower flow then hoped for, if it twists you into a pretzel as I'm sure it will, it will at least provide some mirth to an otherwise unfortunate situation. If something truly unforseen occurs stopping the flow like too many deferees, I expect you to collapse into a complete and total crack-up.
I think fantasy just may be your best friend in the future........use it well, my son.
11-11-2015, 05:07 PM
#87
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I think you're becoming a bit hysterical. Try to temper your emotion a bit and you'll feel better. The fact is it failed last Summer. It was a BIG deal on EL too. What remedy was subsequently made doesn't change that fact.
Supposedly AA plans 750 new-hires next year and from what I hear everyone be it recall or another carriers flow is supposedly a new-hire, so you'd think that means 375 Envoy flows. But already, the projection has been lowered to "200-300", so it looks as though they already are lowering your expectations. Just weeks ago, all I heard was the trumpets blowing about 30/month starting in January or 360 next year, but that looks doubtful. If say 250 go next year, at that rate it will take till close to the end of 2017 just to get through the 824.
Will 30 go in January ?
I have my doubts. Although I'll take no pleasure in seeing hopeful Envoy pilots delayed in going to AA by a slower flow then hoped for, if it twists you into a pretzel as I'm sure it will, it will at least provide some mirth to an otherwise unfortunate situation. If something truly unforseen occurs stopping the flow like too many deferees, I expect you to collapse into a complete and total crack-up.
I think fantasy just may be your best friend in the future........use it well, my son.
Supposedly AA plans 750 new-hires next year and from what I hear everyone be it recall or another carriers flow is supposedly a new-hire, so you'd think that means 375 Envoy flows. But already, the projection has been lowered to "200-300", so it looks as though they already are lowering your expectations. Just weeks ago, all I heard was the trumpets blowing about 30/month starting in January or 360 next year, but that looks doubtful. If say 250 go next year, at that rate it will take till close to the end of 2017 just to get through the 824.
Will 30 go in January ?
I have my doubts. Although I'll take no pleasure in seeing hopeful Envoy pilots delayed in going to AA by a slower flow then hoped for, if it twists you into a pretzel as I'm sure it will, it will at least provide some mirth to an otherwise unfortunate situation. If something truly unforseen occurs stopping the flow like too many deferees, I expect you to collapse into a complete and total crack-up.
I think fantasy just may be your best friend in the future........use it well, my son.
Fact 2...824 can be metered to 30 a month or 50% whichever is lower, at the end of the year it have to be equal to 50% regardless. The protections are depending on who you talk to. AA can say "I'm protecting 200, 300, 800, 10000 hires next year" and actually hire 1, 10, 100, 20.
Nothing in this industry is for sure. So how about if we stop talking hypothetically?
If AA hires 700 next year then, by the end of 2016 they had to flow 350. That's as simple as it is, it can be 30 a mont, it can be 20, it can be 1...its up to how many AA gets into class.
11-11-2015, 05:21 PM
#89
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Some deferees counts as NewHires, fact #1, so they have to apply flows for each one of them.
Fact 2...824 can be metered to 30 a month or 50% whichever is lower, at the end of the year it have to be equal to 50% regardless. The protections are depending on who you talk to. AA can say "I'm protecting 200, 300, 800, 10000 hires next year" and actually hire 1, 10, 100, 20.
Nothing in this industry is for sure. So how about if we stop talking hypothetically?
If AA hires 700 next year then, by the end of 2016 they had to flow 350. That's as simple as it is, it can be 30 a mont, it can be 20, it can be 1...its up to how many AA gets into class.
Fact 2...824 can be metered to 30 a month or 50% whichever is lower, at the end of the year it have to be equal to 50% regardless. The protections are depending on who you talk to. AA can say "I'm protecting 200, 300, 800, 10000 hires next year" and actually hire 1, 10, 100, 20.
Nothing in this industry is for sure. So how about if we stop talking hypothetically?
If AA hires 700 next year then, by the end of 2016 they had to flow 350. That's as simple as it is, it can be 30 a mont, it can be 20, it can be 1...its up to how many AA gets into class.
11-12-2015, 04:28 AM
#90
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I'd love to stop talking hypotheticals, but the projections for flows next year along with Flaming Sky's guarantee's are just that. Nothing in this industry is for sure and that's for sure.
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