New Envoy Information
12-24-2015, 08:20 AM
#581
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Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
No, really. Go suck an egg.
You don't work here but you can't get past posting constant negativity about Envoy. You're still stuck in Envoy self-destruct mode trying to push pilots into not applying at Envoy because of all the nasty things happening here. How about leaving the pros/cons to the people that actually work here? Go back to C&R and try telling everyone how crappy it is to work at AA, how SLI is the death of the airline and how nobody should want to work there because DAL and UAL are so much better. Nobody pays any attention to you there, do they?
Blah blah, you've got friends at Envoy... if you ACTUALLY had any friends at ENY or at all, you'd be trying to help them by getting some newhires to help push them up some numbers, gets some guys off reserve, stack the seniority list to be ready for a large number of upgrades and provide a balanced view of the pros and cons of ENY's future.
Instead you just trash the company, sneer at people for thinking ENY has a future, refuse to entertain reduced upgrade and flow times other than with sarcasm, and treat with derision those who have anything remotely positive to say. That's really helping your "friends", you are a great pal. Go get your validation by being a victim elsewhere, because it seems the only way you get through your day is to draw fire and whine about being attacked.
You don't work here but you can't get past posting constant negativity about Envoy. You're still stuck in Envoy self-destruct mode trying to push pilots into not applying at Envoy because of all the nasty things happening here. How about leaving the pros/cons to the people that actually work here? Go back to C&R and try telling everyone how crappy it is to work at AA, how SLI is the death of the airline and how nobody should want to work there because DAL and UAL are so much better. Nobody pays any attention to you there, do they?
Blah blah, you've got friends at Envoy... if you ACTUALLY had any friends at ENY or at all, you'd be trying to help them by getting some newhires to help push them up some numbers, gets some guys off reserve, stack the seniority list to be ready for a large number of upgrades and provide a balanced view of the pros and cons of ENY's future.
Instead you just trash the company, sneer at people for thinking ENY has a future, refuse to entertain reduced upgrade and flow times other than with sarcasm, and treat with derision those who have anything remotely positive to say. That's really helping your "friends", you are a great pal. Go get your validation by being a victim elsewhere, because it seems the only way you get through your day is to draw fire and whine about being attacked.
Aside from that, it sounds like you really have some unresolved anger issues. Good luck with that (no, really) and Merry Christmas to you too.
12-24-2015, 09:07 AM
#583
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
Originally Posted by eaglefly
It's sad to see more childish name calling and I understand it may feel good to believe that, but none of what you say is true and putting out false, embellished or misleading information is only hurting others to benefit yourself.
Aside from that, it sounds like you really have some unresolved anger issues. Good luck with that (no, really) and Merry Christmas to you too.
Aside from that, it sounds like you really have some unresolved anger issues. Good luck with that (no, really) and Merry Christmas to you too.
12-24-2015, 09:39 AM
#584
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Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
Oh, the hypocrisy...the irony...every time you open your mouth.
YGBFSM !
You attack me for "not helping" Envoy pilots by demanding that I not question the embellished claims by your clan designed to better help you exit the place you have no problem luring others into to take your place in misery. You don't give a rats a$$ about Envoy new-hires, they are just a carpet you need to wipe your feet on in order to reach a goal for yourselves. In essence, you blame me for the exact thing you are doing, the only difference is you see me as impeding your path to your goal, whereas by keeping my fingers off the keyboards and not questioning what you guys say, I'd be helping you. You're just angry some of us are not complicit in your charade nor are we willing to validate it by looking the other way.
Now THAT is epitome of hypocrisy.
The fact is, if all the claims you make are true, there would be no need to demand the muzzling of others as Envoy would have little problem selling itself. Another fact is, is that if your motives were pure (altruistic instead of self-interest), you'd have valid info to counter that which is questioned instead of resorting to name-calling, cyber shout downs, large pictures or sociopathic rants. I think your stickshaker is going off.
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, such rage...............and on Christmas eve to boot. If this continues, Santa may just leave a lump of coal in your stocking.
12-24-2015, 10:10 AM
#585
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Feito no Brasil, CA
Posts: 833
Originally Posted by eaglefly
Hypocrisy ?
YGBFSM !
You attack me for "not helping" Envoy pilots by demanding that I not question the embellished claims by your clan designed to better help you exit the place you have no problem luring others into to take your place in misery. You don't give a rats a$$ about Envoy new-hires, they are just a carpet you need to wipe your feet on in order to reach a goal for yourselves. In essence, you blame me for the exact thing you are doing, the only difference is you see me as impeding your path to your goal, whereas by keeping my fingers off the keyboards and not questioning what you guys say, I'd be helping you. You're just angry some of us are not complicit in your charade nor are we willing to validate it by looking the other way.
Now THAT is epitome of hypocrisy.
The fact is, if all the claims you make are true, there would be no need to demand the muzzling of others as Envoy would have little problem selling itself. Another fact is, is that if your motives were pure (altruistic instead of self-interest), you'd have valid info to counter that which is questioned instead of resorting to name-calling, cyber shout downs, large pictures or sociopathic rants. I think your stickshaker is going off.
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, such rage...............and on Christmas eve to boot. If this continues, Santa may just leave a lump of coal in your stocking.
YGBFSM !
You attack me for "not helping" Envoy pilots by demanding that I not question the embellished claims by your clan designed to better help you exit the place you have no problem luring others into to take your place in misery. You don't give a rats a$$ about Envoy new-hires, they are just a carpet you need to wipe your feet on in order to reach a goal for yourselves. In essence, you blame me for the exact thing you are doing, the only difference is you see me as impeding your path to your goal, whereas by keeping my fingers off the keyboards and not questioning what you guys say, I'd be helping you. You're just angry some of us are not complicit in your charade nor are we willing to validate it by looking the other way.
Now THAT is epitome of hypocrisy.
The fact is, if all the claims you make are true, there would be no need to demand the muzzling of others as Envoy would have little problem selling itself. Another fact is, is that if your motives were pure (altruistic instead of self-interest), you'd have valid info to counter that which is questioned instead of resorting to name-calling, cyber shout downs, large pictures or sociopathic rants. I think your stickshaker is going off.
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, such rage...............and on Christmas eve to boot. If this continues, Santa may just leave a lump of coal in your stocking.
As to the rest of your post, whatever... I've posted balanced opinion about the potential good things and the pitfalls for the future here at ENY, I have no idea how that makes me a "Salesman", but apparently anybody who says anything remotely hopeful is a conspirator in your book. Same goes for newhires, I've explained the good and the bad, and contrary to your constant harangue, ENY is just as good a place to work as any other regional airline.
So yeah, I want newhires here. I want our guys to get off reserve. I want them to get off airport standby. I want them to upgrade. I want them to get a better job elsewhere or flow. I don't lie to them, I don't paint a rosy picture, but my opinion is that despite ENY's faults, it's set up to be the place to be for the next couple years if things work out right. So here I am wishing good things for the good people I work with, and here you still are trying to tear them down. Merry F'n Christmas.
12-24-2015, 10:43 AM
#586
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
There you go again, talking conspiracies and concerted efforts to suppress you. You need help.
As to the rest of your post, whatever... I've posted balanced opinion about the potential good things and the pitfalls for the future here at ENY, I have no idea how that makes me a "Salesman", but apparently anybody who says anything remotely hopeful is a conspirator in your book. Same goes for newhires, I've explained the good and the bad, and contrary to your constant harangue, ENY is just as good a place to work as any other regional airline.
So yeah, I want newhires here. I want our guys to get off reserve. I want them to get off airport standby. I want them to upgrade. I want them to get a better job elsewhere or flow. I don't lie to them, I don't paint a rosy picture, but my opinion is that despite ENY's faults, it's set up to be the place to be for the next couple years if things work out right. So here I am wishing good things for the good people I work with, and here you still are trying to tear them down. Merry F'n Christmas.
As to the rest of your post, whatever... I've posted balanced opinion about the potential good things and the pitfalls for the future here at ENY, I have no idea how that makes me a "Salesman", but apparently anybody who says anything remotely hopeful is a conspirator in your book. Same goes for newhires, I've explained the good and the bad, and contrary to your constant harangue, ENY is just as good a place to work as any other regional airline.
So yeah, I want newhires here. I want our guys to get off reserve. I want them to get off airport standby. I want them to upgrade. I want them to get a better job elsewhere or flow. I don't lie to them, I don't paint a rosy picture, but my opinion is that despite ENY's faults, it's set up to be the place to be for the next couple years if things work out right. So here I am wishing good things for the good people I work with, and here you still are trying to tear them down. Merry F'n Christmas.
.........and just plain Happy New Year to you (no need for an "F'n" here as it's all good).
12-24-2015, 10:54 AM
#588
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,201
Originally Posted by eaglefly
Sure. I just think potential new-hires should be fully informed and not just get a Pollyanna version of Envoy. If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit.
.........and just plain Happy New Year to you (no need for an "F'n" here as it's all good).
.........and just plain Happy New Year to you (no need for an "F'n" here as it's all good).
Anything to do today, other than "fully inform new hires" with what if?
12-24-2015, 11:21 AM
#590
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Lol....
Anything to do today, other than "fully inform new hires" with what if?
Anything to do today, other than "fully inform new hires" with what if?
In all seriousness though, I see no post of mine informing new-hires of anything today, only the tedious throwing back of the now standard shower of rocks thrown at me from the usual suspects even when I don't say anything anyone would consider negative about Envoy. But if you like, I'd be happy to inform new-hires of possible new developments there that might be of interest to them. The other forums are chock full of distressing claims from present Envoy pilots as I'm sure you're aware. I have no idea if they're true, but tongues sure are wagging. Don't you think prospective new-hires considering Envoy should know about things like that or should those be swept under the rug too ?
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