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Old 12-23-2015, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ag386 View Post
Why don't you just not worry about eaglefly and focus on what's happening at the company you are so dearly in love with.

If you believe this 2.5/6 flow, flow, flow BS, why don't you get on the phone to RW and ask "WHERE'S THE FOOKING BEEF?" I've already left a voicemail two weeks ago. No reply. Surprise, surprise, surprise. If Envoy is going to keep selling this 2.5/6 fantasy, they better come up with a massive vacancy bid ASAP.
Last sentence is spot on......folks are calling 2.5/6 a joke out on the line, and unless that vacancy comes soon, the natives will become restless.

FWIW, the DFW captain rep has said in the last month or so that the next bid will be February and that it will be small. Another rumor (not union rep driven) is March.

They need to put up or shut up.
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Old 12-23-2015, 12:11 PM
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And we are really tired of you talking about OUR place of employment.

Go give the PDT guys a hard time about the flow they are selling NH's or how PSA people are thinking they are going to find 1000 NH's in 2 years.
I have no doubt a small number of you are tired of opinions that don't conform to your desires, but welcome the United States of America. It's a country where various viewpoints are stated and one where you frequently have to tolerate that with which you disagree with. Obviously, this reality is causing you extreme distress. Considering that, it boggles my mind why you don't simply put me on ignore ?

The key to your prison is in your pocket, so to speak. Of course, we both know you ignoring me, isn't your goal, but you silencing those with which you disagree with. Again, as I've suggested to others afflicted with your POV, I think it sounds like you'd be happier in Moscow, Tehran, Beijing or Pyongyang.

Have you thought about seeking a flying position abroad in one of those countries ? Sounds as if they might be more to your liking. Just a thought.............
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Old 12-23-2015, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post

As for the flow, 6 years is too far out to consider anything realistic and no, even in that situation, an Envoy new-hire of today will NOT be making $100K at AA as they would be on new-hire pay upon arrival as one of the SOS has recently claimed. It seems the wild claims and tall tales are intensifying and perhaps a holiday bones is on the table for some who can shovel the highest mound in Texas ?
Let's see:
76hrs (reserve base minimum monthly credit) X $80/hr (2016) presumptive first year pay rate = $6080/month.
$6080/month X 12 months = $72,960/yr.
$72,960/yr X 1.16 (16% DC contribution) = $84,633.60/yr.
$84,633.60 + per diem + additional flying + override = ????

You're right McFly. That's nowhere near 100K. You've proved us all wrong again!
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Old 12-23-2015, 04:25 PM
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Let's see:
76hrs (reserve base minimum monthly credit) X $80/hr (2016) presumptive first year pay rate = $6080/month.
$6080/month X 12 months = $72,960/yr.
$72,960/yr X 1.16 (16% DC contribution) = $84,633.60/yr.
$84,633.60 + per diem + additional flying + override = ????

You're right McFly. That's nowhere near 100K. You've proved us all wrong again!
Too much fluff above, not enough reality, but gee BIFF, he didn't say "near" $100K or even $100K itself, he said OVER $100K. If you'd get out from under the manure pile McFly suckered you into, you'd have a more accurate view of reality. Clearly though, improving the smell of your buddies B.S. is more important then reality for you (you're beyond hope), but by all means keep coughing it up and please..............BREATHE DEEP !
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Old 12-23-2015, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
I have no doubt a small number of you are tired of opinions that don't conform to your desires, but welcome the United States of America. It's a country where various viewpoints are stated and one where you frequently have to tolerate that with which you disagree with. Obviously, this reality is causing you extreme distress. Considering that, it boggles my mind why you don't simply put me on ignore ?

The key to your prison is in your pocket, so to speak. Of course, we both know you ignoring me, isn't your goal, but you silencing those with which you disagree with. Again, as I've suggested to others afflicted with your POV, I think it sounds like you'd be happier in Moscow, Tehran, Beijing or Pyongyang.

Have you thought about seeking a flying position abroad in one of those countries ? Sounds as if they might be more to your liking. Just a thought.............
I think the phrase, "Go suck an egg" seems appropriate.


AG, i would love to ask Ric the next time i see him about the magic in his formula. I do not "love" it here bit honestly we need to start becoming Glass Half Full people becuase the end goal is to make the flow work and upgrades happen. And to do this we NEED new hires. With all the negative talk on here I can see why new hires are skeptical when lots of other threads abput other airlines are slightly more positive on occasion.
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Old 12-24-2015, 05:45 AM
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I think the phrase, "Go suck an egg" seems appropriate.
Of course it does. Invariably, it's what you SOS'ers usually end up doing when your grandiose and inaccurate claims fall flat............hurl insults.

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Old 12-24-2015, 07:42 AM
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No, really. Go suck an egg.

You don't work here but you can't get past posting constant negativity about Envoy. You're still stuck in Envoy self-destruct mode trying to push pilots into not applying at Envoy because of all the nasty things happening here. How about leaving the pros/cons to the people that actually work here? Go back to C&R and try telling everyone how crappy it is to work at AA, how SLI is the death of the airline and how nobody should want to work there because DAL and UAL are so much better. Nobody pays any attention to you there, do they?

Blah blah, you've got friends at Envoy... if you ACTUALLY had any friends at ENY or at all, you'd be trying to help them by getting some newhires to help push them up some numbers, gets some guys off reserve, stack the seniority list to be ready for a large number of upgrades and provide a balanced view of the pros and cons of ENY's future.

Instead you just trash the company, sneer at people for thinking ENY has a future, refuse to entertain reduced upgrade and flow times other than with sarcasm, and treat with derision those who have anything remotely positive to say. That's really helping your "friends", you are a great pal. Go get your validation by being a victim elsewhere, because it seems the only way you get through your day is to draw fire and whine about being attacked.
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Old 12-24-2015, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox View Post
No, really. Go suck an egg.

You don't work here but you can't get past posting constant negativity about Envoy. You're still stuck in Envoy self-destruct mode trying to push pilots into not applying at Envoy because of all the nasty things happening here. How about leaving the pros/cons to the people that actually work here? Go back to C&R and try telling everyone how crappy it is to work at AA, how SLI is the death of the airline and how nobody should want to work there because DAL and UAL are so much better. Nobody pays any attention to you there, do they?

Blah blah, you've got friends at Envoy... if you ACTUALLY had any friends at ENY or at all, you'd be trying to help them by getting some newhires to help push them up some numbers, gets some guys off reserve, stack the seniority list to be ready for a large number of upgrades and provide a balanced view of the pros and cons of ENY's future.

Instead you just trash the company, sneer at people for thinking ENY has a future, refuse to entertain reduced upgrade and flow times other than with sarcasm, and treat with derision those who have anything remotely positive to say. That's really helping your "friends", you are a great pal. Go get your validation by being a victim elsewhere, because it seems the only way you get through your day is to draw fire and whine about being attacked.
Sounds like you might be figuring out this 2.5/6 business is fantasy. Welcome to what the rest of Envoy has already figured out bozo. You are starting to sound desperate, grasping at any sliver of hope that this thing might work out as the rest of you and the "head buried in sand" crowd seem to advocate.

Hey Ric, WHERE'S THE BEEF?
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Old 12-24-2015, 08:03 AM
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Which airline do you work for?

Originally Posted by ag386 View Post
Sounds like you might be figuring out this 2.5/6 business is fantasy. Welcome to what the rest of Envoy has already figured out bozo. You are starting to sound desperate, grasping at any sliver of hope that this thing might work out as the rest of you and the "head buried in sand" crowd seem to advocate.

Hey Ric, WHERE'S THE BEEF?
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Old 12-24-2015, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ag386 View Post
Sounds like you might be figuring out this 2.5/6 business is fantasy. Welcome to what the rest of Envoy has already figured out bozo. You are starting to sound desperate, grasping at any sliver of hope that this thing might work out as the rest of you and the "head buried in sand" crowd seem to advocate.

Hey Ric, WHERE'S THE BEEF?
If you'd taken the time to read anything I've posted about 2.5/6 business you'd never have made that post, "bozo". If you'd taken the time to read anything I've posted about how idiotic the extremes are in the discussion (both ends), you'd not have posted that. Of course, that would mean actual effort and require thought. It's no fun being a jack wagon if you actually have to put effort into thinking. In other words, everything you said is BS and nothing more than flamebait. Get back under your bridge, troll.
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