29 fools. People are crazy to come to this airline.

 

I'm only stating my understanding of the situation. From that understanding, TWA management agreed to the structure of that deal and in an offer of employment, no guarantees are made. Just my opinion and if that upsets you, Xin Loi. If you want more info on ALPA's handling of the situation, the court documents are available for nauseating review. I'm not defending APA for their decisions, but it sure sounds like you have an ax to grind there. Best of luck.

 

Well, the 20 later this month is simply the present claim. How many actually show is yet to be seen. Hopefully, for everyone's sake it's accurate. Apparently a few in the present class are older and/or ex-military and might simply be looking for 121 currency and the next class will probably include some similar situations.

Envoy needs to bring in and most importantly retain at least 35 new-hires a month every month, if they plan to flow the represented numbers to AA along with outside attrition from more tenured pilots. Absent that, each months deficit from that only ensures future contraction which jeopardizes present flying allocation from AAG. It's interesting that a union source said that MIA flying is projected in May to be equivalent to at least 40 hard lines of flying, yet AAG won't green light an Envoy domicile there (at least not yet). To me, that says AAG is keeping their options open for the future should that flying be reassigned elsewhere over time as the capabilities of various carriers ebb and flow with their pilot counts.

 

Actually, no beef with APA. I don't know them but they are probably like any ALPA MEC, just trying to navigate the pitfalls that mgmt dishes out on a daily basis to labor.

I know there was some court case about the TWA merger IRT ALPA representation, and you assert that they were somehow sacrificed so that APA would join ALPA. How do you know that it wasn't APA that insisted that they be offered employment and not merged? Sounds like a great plan on steering an ISL your direction.

Anyway, water under the 10+ years bridge now, and I hope the pilots at AA can continue to raise the bar and profession through APA so that the ALPA carriers can follow.

 

How does the training here compare to some place like Expressjet?

 

Yes, and I understand that the TWA people won the case. I'm not sure of the specifics, though.

 

Envoy has a 95% pass rate for new hire training. The only other regional info I am certain of is Mesa, which has a 40% washout rate.
As far as ExpressJet's training, I would assume it's pretty good.

 

Actually, I have plenty of beef regarding APA, but this all happened while I was still at Eagle, so I was an observer.

 

If that pass rate is correct (and I have no reason to believe it's not), it's a testament to the quality of training there. Historically, Envoy's predecessor AE had one of the most thorough and demanding training programs in the industry, bar none (despite a hiccup here or there). My training at AA wasn't as thorough or demanding as that which I left at AE.

 

The current envoy is still the frame work of the old eagle days. We have a solid training department. The only change is we now have aqp so recurrent is alot less stressful.