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#5331
Quick question for you all:
I interview on 10/21 (a Friday) and will require completion of my ATP-CTP prior to ground school. Is it safe to assume that I won't receive a ground school date until some time in January?
I would love a DFW base (since I live in North Houston) but hate the idea of having a longer upgrade time if I choose the 175 over the 145 or the CRJ. This would be my first 121 job so I don't know how bad commuting to ORD or LGA will really be. I'm a glutton for punishment and likely won't complain about it too much, but QOL is at least slightly important to me.
I guess my question is this: if given a choice between the 175 DFW vs 145 ORD or LGA, does it still make the most sense to go for the 145 and bid DFW when I can get it?
I interview on 10/21 (a Friday) and will require completion of my ATP-CTP prior to ground school. Is it safe to assume that I won't receive a ground school date until some time in January?
I would love a DFW base (since I live in North Houston) but hate the idea of having a longer upgrade time if I choose the 175 over the 145 or the CRJ. This would be my first 121 job so I don't know how bad commuting to ORD or LGA will really be. I'm a glutton for punishment and likely won't complain about it too much, but QOL is at least slightly important to me.
I guess my question is this: if given a choice between the 175 DFW vs 145 ORD or LGA, does it still make the most sense to go for the 145 and bid DFW when I can get it?
Now for the other part of your post, I think you are confusing system seniority with aircraft seniority. It doesn't matter what aircraft you are on - when someone of your seniority is able to upgrade, you can take whatever they offer. For your seniority on the 175 as an FO, it is a different animal. That will affect what you bid in that particular status.
For example, all hypothetical, say every FO on the 175 was hired in August and September of this year. Meanwhile, DFW 145 has the whole top half of the FO list hired in 2011. There would be very little movement on the 175 until the 8/16 and 9/16 hires are eligible for upgrade, whereas the entire top half of the 145 list would be upgraded in a few months from now. You would then be halfway up the 145 list holding a line. Now on the 175, there has been seniority stagnation, therefore you could be stuck on reserve for a long time. But for actual upgrade, when your seniority number is up, you upgrade regardless of equipment status.
#5332
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Another quick question.
I interviewed yesterday and I forgot to ask this question.
After you are done with training do they give you any time off to relocate? I wilk be moving to whatever base I get assigned since I dont have any attachments anywhere right now.
Thanks
I interviewed yesterday and I forgot to ask this question.
After you are done with training do they give you any time off to relocate? I wilk be moving to whatever base I get assigned since I dont have any attachments anywhere right now.
Thanks
#5333
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What people don't understand is why so much is withheld which brings us back to the tiered system. Link below is how they IRS determines how much to take out of your pay check. PAGE 45 is where you want to go.
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15.pdf#page20
#5334
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Three days. However you should have more time than that during IOE. You might have a week or so before you start IOE or a long break between IOE trips. Just wait for the call after The checkride. They are pretty flexible and have many people to get through IOE so don't worry about it. They will positive space you to your trip so you don't have to wait around in DFW or ORD.
#5335
When did they tell you that you'd the final offer?
#5336
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Anyone know anything about the CFI cadet program, or has gone through it? When should I contact Envoy over it? Is it a good way to earn hours, or would joining with CapeAir, who guarantees 40 "duty hours" (whether that's actual flight hours or total pay time) a week, where I could go from the 500 hours required to apply there to the 1500 required by Envoy in like 6 months if it is actually flight hours. If I've read what info I'vve found correctly on Envoy's website, they offer AA medical, flight, and 401k from when they place you in an academy to teach. Is it the full thing or severely watered down?
Also a question for taller pilots (6'+
how do you fit into the 145? The one time I've flown on one as a passenger I had to pretty much crawl down the aisle into my seat, fortunately I was on the left side of the aircraft and didn't have an overhead bin right above me or I may have had to slouch forwards quite a bit. I'd imagine the cockpit would be a tight fit. The CRJ is a tight fit too but it's just a stoop rather than nearly a crawl.
Do new hires ever get the E175 or CRJ? I'd be a ways out, like a year or more, moving isn't an issue for me, but I think due to the low cost of living I think I'd prefer DFW (Kinda hard for me to be culture shocked, I grew up in the military and when sent overseas at age 6 I was put into a French school while only knowing how to say bonjour, merci, and de rien. For most going from Boston to Texas would be quite a bit of a culture shock normally but I think I'd be rather numb to it) and I know all three are there. I'd assume the mass majority of new hires get the 145 no matter which base. Would they still be hiring a year on or so? Would the CFI program be a good guarantee to get a foot in the door even if it's slower than going for a part 135?
Also something I never see discussed anywhere; do Envoy interviewers have any preference in general in attire for female pilot candidates? Generally for men everything is suit but I've always had the choice in interviews going for a dress, suit with pants, suit with skirt, blouse with pants, or blouse with skirt. When interview time comes, should I dress like I'd be in the cockpit? Or will any business professional attire do? Once again it's a ways out (sooner if I decide for the CFI program, interviews are conducted when you enter, no additional interview is needed to enter an FO class.) just curious
Also a question for taller pilots (6'+
how do you fit into the 145? The one time I've flown on one as a passenger I had to pretty much crawl down the aisle into my seat, fortunately I was on the left side of the aircraft and didn't have an overhead bin right above me or I may have had to slouch forwards quite a bit. I'd imagine the cockpit would be a tight fit. The CRJ is a tight fit too but it's just a stoop rather than nearly a crawl.Do new hires ever get the E175 or CRJ? I'd be a ways out, like a year or more, moving isn't an issue for me, but I think due to the low cost of living I think I'd prefer DFW (Kinda hard for me to be culture shocked, I grew up in the military and when sent overseas at age 6 I was put into a French school while only knowing how to say bonjour, merci, and de rien. For most going from Boston to Texas would be quite a bit of a culture shock normally but I think I'd be rather numb to it) and I know all three are there. I'd assume the mass majority of new hires get the 145 no matter which base. Would they still be hiring a year on or so? Would the CFI program be a good guarantee to get a foot in the door even if it's slower than going for a part 135?
Also something I never see discussed anywhere; do Envoy interviewers have any preference in general in attire for female pilot candidates? Generally for men everything is suit but I've always had the choice in interviews going for a dress, suit with pants, suit with skirt, blouse with pants, or blouse with skirt. When interview time comes, should I dress like I'd be in the cockpit? Or will any business professional attire do? Once again it's a ways out (sooner if I decide for the CFI program, interviews are conducted when you enter, no additional interview is needed to enter an FO class.) just curious
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#5337
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Also something I never see discussed anywhere; do Envoy interviewers have any preference in general in attire for female pilot candidates? Generally for men everything is suit but I've always had the choice in interviews going for a dress, suit with pants, suit with skirt, blouse with pants, or blouse with skirt. When interview time comes, should I dress like I'd be in the cockpit? Or will any business professional attire do? Once again it's a ways out (sooner if I decide for the CFI program, interviews are conducted when you enter, no additional interview is needed to enter an FO class.) just curious
#5338
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I'd want it to be perfect, of course. Envoy is definitely my top choice, at least if the CFI program is any good. PSA is second because the only decent domicile is CLT, though I wouldn't mind DAY I don't think. Piedmont is kinda dead last cause Ocean City? Roanoake? Harrisburg? Ok so I'm not a bubbly people person but I do at least like to live in a sizeable city... Philly doesn't count, do't really care to live there. Think I'd rate Endeavor higher than Piedmont tbh cause I really don't care if American is my end target or not (I think I'd kinda prefer Delta, but AA lies out a better path) but I just find NYC, DTW, and MSP more liveable than ROA, PHL, MDT, and SBY.
#5339
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Also a question for taller pilots (6'+
how do you fit into the 145?The CRJ is a tight fit too but it's just a stoop rather than nearly a crawl.
Do new hires ever get the E175 or CRJ.
For most going from Boston to Texas would be quite a bit of a culture shock normally but I think I'd be rather numb to it) and I know all three are there.
But I'm 6'2". Getting into and out of the 145 really isn't too bad as long as the seat was left in the full back stowed position. Otherwise it can be a little awkward getting in. Once in the seat it's absolutely fine, lots of room. Loved the aircraft as a pilot. Hated it as a passenger.
CRJ never flew it, but heard it's a tight fit.
E75 is difficult to get in due to the placement of the yoke. Seat really needs the ability to go back 2more inches and it would be perfect.
New hires are getting the 175 and holding lines within 30-60days right now. I would expect some stagnation as all the slots are filled overtime.
If you want DFW, it's currently only 175's and 145's.
ORD is 145 and CRJ
LGA will be 145s.
MIA when/if it opens will also be 145s
If you want the opportunity to get back to the northeast I would take the 145
#5340
(Yes, I hear everyone groaning. sorry to open this can of worms yet again)
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