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Old 10-24-2016, 05:58 PM
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The union is involved some with the building of trips.

PBS, would be a huge give from us. It would get rid of any trip conflicts. Say your bid has carry over into November like some of the October packets had flying into the 3rd. PBS would not allow you to have any trips that conflicted with that. Our current system, you can bid for a line that has a sequence on those days AND YOU ARE PAY PROTECTED. Many pilots use this to their advantage and get a whole sequence paid for without flying any of it. Also, our current system allows us to drop whole sequences if they touch our vacation. So one week of vacation can turn into 2 to 3 weeks. PBS would get rid of that and only allow you to bid for trips around your vacation, and one week would be one week of vacation.

While PBS could give you a little more control over exactly what days you are off. With our contract it is not worth it at all.
So, is switching to PBS a concession that you are taking?
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Old 10-24-2016, 06:03 PM
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So one week of vacation can turn into 2 to 3 weeks. PBS would get rid of that...
Heard a guy in our indoc class telling a kid about this exact same thing today. Might have been you haha.

Also, does the envoy trip system allow us to trade parts of our trips? Or does the trade have to be the entire trip?
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Old 10-24-2016, 06:49 PM
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Something about your "there aren't any replacement pilots coming" claim doesn't add up.

What does add up is that by your own admission you are heading to AA very shortly, and like clockwork you have adapted the burn-it-down mentality of many of the flows who have come before you.
I've adopted a burn-it-down mentality? Why not say that nobody respects women more than Trump, or that Hillary did not know that "C" stood for classified while you're at it?

Perhaps you missed my point. Let me be more clear...the CRJ's are leaving, and that is not necessarily a bad thing.
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Old 10-24-2016, 10:04 PM
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I've adopted a burn-it-down mentality? Why not say that nobody respects women more than Trump, or that Hillary did not know that "C" stood for classified while you're at it?

Perhaps you missed my point. Let me be more clear...the CRJ's are leaving, and that is not necessarily a bad thing.
Eventually. And that we can agree on.

Next year? Not so much.
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Old 10-25-2016, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan View Post
So, is switching to PBS a concession that you are taking?
Yes, PBS is definitely a concession.
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Old 10-25-2016, 03:02 AM
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Yea. They "AAG" better realize we won't fold....oh crap. It's ALPA. So what else will be be giving up with PBS?

But seriously this better be a pilot vote.
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Old 10-25-2016, 03:27 AM
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New Captains are going to be flying as FO's as well.

Thats no good IMHO.
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Old 10-25-2016, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Kazansky View Post
Heard a guy in our indoc class telling a kid about this exact same thing today. Might have been you haha.

Also, does the envoy trip system allow us to trade parts of our trips? Or does the trade have to be the entire trip?
Wasn't me, just common knowledge that PBS would be bad for us.

Trip trade no idea, I have been on reserve pretty much since I started over 3 years ago. It is by choice, more nights at home for me.
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Old 10-25-2016, 04:52 AM
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Wasn't me, just common knowledge that PBS would be bad for us.

Trip trade no idea, I have been on reserve pretty much since I started over 3 years ago. It is by choice, more nights at home for me.
I have a feeling reserve is going to get much worse over the next few months. This past year or two has been pretty much a cake walk on reserve but the past six weeks I have been getting killed. My only silver lining is that I'm actually starting to see some movement with almost 20 guys coming down to DFW over the next 5-6 weeks and more on the way after that.
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Old 10-25-2016, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DilsonWic View Post
Yea. They "AAG" better realize we won't fold....oh crap. It's ALPA. So what else will be be giving up with PBS?

But seriously this better be a pilot vote.
You know we already bowed down and gave them PBS. They can start to implement it, after I believe the 41st 175 is on property.
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