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Old 09-12-2016 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by go skers
I'm definitely aware. It'll be a nice change to be on the front side of pattern bargaining making everyone catch us. This will be good not only for Envoy but the rest of the regional industry as well.

Additionally, that 40 flows/month is a HUGE number. Hope it holds up for awhile.
Seriously dude...40 flows a month will still take a new hire like 5 years to flow to AA. Better to go go Mesa, get your 1000 TPIC and easily get hired off the street at AA, DL, or United! The flow is a total bust. Envoy has only flowed like 800 pilot so far. That's a joke.
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Old 09-12-2016 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wink
Only Envoy? Or all WO's? Recently it has seemed like whatever 1 gets the other 2 also see.
I'd be surprised if the other 2 didn't see the same or at least very similar.
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Old 09-12-2016 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Eject
Seriously dude...40 flows a month will still take a new hire like 5 years to flow to AA. Better to go go Mesa, get your 1000 TPIC and easily get hired off the street at AA, DL, or United! The flow is a total bust. Envoy has only flowed like 800 pilot so far. That's a joke.

Nicely done, sir. Lol!
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Old 09-12-2016 | 08:23 PM
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Old 09-12-2016 | 08:24 PM
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It may take a while man..
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Old 09-12-2016 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by moon
40/month and pay increases. Sounds like someone may be trying to make good on some 2.5/6 promises! Hope this works out I'm hopeful.
LOL. Those numbers are still a pipe dream.
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Old 09-12-2016 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by word302
LOL. Those numbers are still a pipe dream.


Upgrade in 2.5 was premature. Someone hired in May 2015 will take longer than that. But I'm guessing the flow number will be pretty close to 6 years. It may even be shorter if this increase to 40 comes to fruition.


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Old 09-12-2016 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Eject
Seriously dude...40 flows a month will still take a new hire like 5 years to flow to AA. Better to go go Mesa, get your 1000 TPIC and easily get hired off the street at AA...
Good luck getting hired off the street with a 1000 TPIC from Mesa at AA. AA new hire classes have only about 25-30% of the total as street hires, the rest of slots are from wholly owned's (averaging about 55-60% from Envoy). Yes it may take 6-9 years to flow, but it's nice to have that in your back pocket while your applying to DL, UA, and AA.

And PSA and PDT can only come over to AA with the flow, Envoy is able to use either method.
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Old 09-12-2016 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jdflyer1999
Good luck getting hired off the street with a 1000 TPIC from Mesa at AA. AA new hire classes have only about 25-30% of the total as street hires, the rest of slots are from wholly owned's (averaging about 55-60% from Envoy). Yes it may take 6-9 years to flow, but it's nice to have that in your back pocket while your applying to DL, UA, and AA.

And PSA and PDT can only come over to AA with the flow, Envoy is able to use either method.
Fairly certain he was being sarcastic. And it won't take 6-9 years to flow. It's 5 years for new hires.
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Old 09-12-2016 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
Fairly certain he was being sarcastic. And it won't take 6-9 years to flow. It's 5 years for new hires.
That's assuming Envoy can fill classes. Still a giant pipe dream. Flows have always been a carrot, but keep selling best-case projections as fact.
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