Those emails are BS they include pilots who flowed prior to the 824.

 

I did not realize that, thank you. Do you have a more accurate %?

 

They also include pilots who went through the front door.

 

Since we signed the latest agreement at the end of 2014, our flow percentage is exactly 55%.

 

658 from 824 618 street hires so 51.5% according to the company numbers. I'm not sure if they include front door hires too.

 

No, if you were trying to offer an ACCURATE picture, you would at the very least acknowledge the difficulties and QOL degradation our pilot group has gone through. But you won't even do that. Instead, you call us liars, negative nancys, and use every opportunity to discredit what we are saying.

The benefits of flow? Yea, if it ever works.

Rapidly dropping upgrade? Yea, that's great. I'm still on reserve 3+ years after upgrading.

You have that exactly backwards. The only reason I'm here is because of people like you trying to blow sunshine up starry-eyed CFI's rear ends.

 

Yep, I think you're right in that it's really going to depend on AA class size. From what folks have been saying, they have been tight on narrow body staffing and playing catch up. The speculation was that they were requesting 40/mo from envoy to make sure they hit the 824 number right at the 1,648 mark, because they were planning on having large new hire classes for the first few months of 2017.

But then of course, RW statement (and the rumor mill) seems to indicate they have said they can't do 40/mo. So either they REALLY want to see Nicolau yet again over the same arbitration, or they plan on having mid-year classes with largely envoy folks at the end of the 824 in order to avoid running foul of it. It would give them time to get more new hires online and some of the upgrade backlog cleared. But as usual since they don't tell us much of anything, this is all just throwing darts while blindfolded.

 

Great. More blather from our resident Negative Nancy.

Specifically, just what is it you don't understand about the dropping upgrade? You do know we are into 2011 hires as CA now right? Once we get through the 2011 guys, which were a very large number, subsequent years hiring numbers were relatively small.

 

I don't work for Envoy, but do you think your schedules are good?

 

I've flown with a few 2011 hires who are choosing to bypass upgrade--they are too afraid of the junior reserve abuse they'll face as new captains.