Absolutely.

PSA and PDT are sending, what, 3-5 pilots to AA every month? That's easy to absorb in both hiring and training. 25-30 from envoy? That's more difficult, but clearly not impossible to deal with. The potential problem that many of us see isn't stopping the flow per se, it's reducing the post-824 flow below required levels and telling the union to "fly it and grieve it" (go pound sand) when staffing remains critical as it is now. That would be on par with how the company is treating the rest of our contract.

I wish I didn't HAVE to be worried, but being outside of the 824, I am. Your post makes rational and logical sense, but I've seen enough irrational and illogical behavior by this company to convince me that common sense doesn't always win here. It was not rational to drive off 600+ pilots in bankruptcy that we were going to need over Doug Parker's need to stroke his ego about being in control. It's not logical to risk violating two federal laws in firing a union volunteer unless you're narcissistic enough to think you can get away with it. It's unethical to fire all the former American Eagle ground personnel at the outstations, replace them with Piedmont, and offer to hire them back at first year wages. When the bean counters trump logic, reason, and ethics, facts are less important in speculating the future than past behavior. Only time will tell.

 

Outstanding. Couldn't have said better. Actions speak louder than words.

 

Those are valid points. I have seen and continue to see some extremely illogical decisions by management.

Kind of a shift in topic but your concerns mentioned above is one reason why I think that every envoy pilot that is not within weeks of flowing should be actively seeking equitable employment outside the flow. Likewise, why one should never stop keeping their logbook up to date. There are no guarantees in life and especially in this industry.

 

Does Envoy offer something similar to TSA in that you can show up for two days to reserve your seniority and then comeback not later than 90 days?

 

No we don't. Reserve your spot probably doesn't make a difference if everyone uses that gimmick though....

 

I think everyone thinking of coming to Envoy needs to realize that Dacuj and CRJ700 are probably being paid by management to come on APC and sing sunshine and rainbows. Why else would they continuously come on here when everyone craps on them all day long. They do a huge disservice to prospective and hopeful future American pilots. The flow is the huge carrot they dangle. Your working conditions are barbaric and inhumane. If you want a steady girlfriend or a family you probably shouldn't go to Envoy if you want to see them. Quality of life is way better at other regionals and you don't have to wait for the flow. Just skip the line and come in way sooner than your peers that went to Envoy at the same time. I just want people to realize what they are getting into and that there are really horrible people out there with their own agendas trying to trick people to go to Envoy knowing full well it will cost them several extra years of their lives and relationships in the meantime.

 

Well said....

 

The extent to which our current mismanagement team violates the contract would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Even something that is written in black and white, with there being no way to misinterpret it, is violated. Junior man, reserve turnback, LTFO, the list goes on. From reading these forums, the difference between a WO such as PDT and Envoy is stark. Where one is willing to compensate for their short staffness with money (300% OT) the other decides the best course of action is to come up with their own asinine interpretation of the CBA. Truly sad what they've done to this place.

Why am I still here? Because I'll be gone to greener pastures (AA) for a well paid and lucrative career relatively soon. That's it. And I'm not gonna lie...the second I'm gone I won't be looking in the rear view mirror at this dumpster fire.

 

You had a good post but then you had to go and ruin it with this BS.

 

Do you work for Envoy? Just very curious. Everyone serves their purpose. Noise is need for positive change to come. But at the expense of who & what? NH's?

Happy New Yr to all. Have a safe & blessed 2017.