FlameNSky

Thanks, my estimate was closer than I thought. If they actually put out a circa 100 bid every 3 months like they claim, the Nov 2015 hires could receive their upgrade award and be in class in under 2.5 years. Like many, I have seen too many broken promises to believe it before I see it but it would be really nice if this promise really does work out.

I imagine there are a lot of FOs that held out this time until they can hold a certain base, equipment or a line. They are the wildcards. It's nice to see things finally turning around after getting the Comair 2.0 threats and forced into multiple concessionary contracts.

Machwon

Be careful wouldn't want to upset those half glass empty guys that seem to hit refresh hourly here.

cr700

Exactly my point. Sub 2 year upgrade by the end of 2017. You heard it here first.

cr700

No kidding. All of the Envoy bashing gets old.

Pedro4President

Am I reading this right?? Most junior captain is a DFW 145?

I'm still waiting of the flow plan for upgrades. Any guesses of how many actual upgrades go through in FEB and MAR?

AlphaMikeFoxtrt

RLF /CMP/RR (ready reserve) lines are a just like hard lines with only being awarded to one (1) single pilot in that status, ie. CA or FO.

RSV Lines are awarded anywhere from one (1) pilot to as many as five (5) from what I've seen. Again above info applies, status.

Pedro4President

Reserve lines are awarded proportionally. So if ten reserve lines are published and 50 pilots are going to be on reserve then five pilots will be awarded each line.

This is why you may see multiple lines that are identical. CS may want more people with this schedule so they will publish identical reserve lines.

Also, if you want a composite line there are TWO ways to bid for it. 1. Bid the composite line. 2. In the options section you can request a composite line.

bigtime209

The over the top praising Envoy as an absolute utopia, acting as if everything is rainbows and unicorns, acting as if there is absolutely no problem with the airline, while failing to acknowledge the significant QOL issues...well that also gets old. Look, I personally think that Envoy is a good place to work. Things are finally on the upswing. Upgrade time is dropping like a rock, pay incentives are here, flow is working, AA travel benefits are best in the industry, we are currently hiring like gang busters and being wholly owned by AA provides more security than a contract regional. I honestly think that now is a great time for new hires to get in.

Having said that, there are challenges that this pilot group face. Namely, the schedules. They're awful. They are destroying families, especially for commuters. Lines have low days off coupled with low pay. Crew hotels are getting worse and worse. Junior mans are out of control and the company has the audacity to start junior manning into 3 days and counting it as one. Now, as staffing gets back under control, the junior man issue should work itself out. Schedules, I'm beginning to worry will never improve to a decent level. At least not anytime in the near future.

Bottom line, like I said...overall I think Envoy is a good place to be. I think there is a bright future and I think things will continue to improve. I'd recommend to anybody to work for Envoy. There are a lot of pros, but you have to acknowledge the cons as well. And for CR700, dacuj and co. to come on here and act like sleazy used car salesmen, it really doesn't help the cause. You all come off as less than truthful, in-genuine, and like you'd say anything and everything to make a sale. If you guys toned it down and acted a little more real, then maybe the likes of Trinity Dawn and co. wouldn't feel the need to go overboard with the bashing in attempt to balance you guys out.

Pedro4President

This ^^^. In my opinion is what the silent majority feels.

HobGoblin

Pretty much.