lakehouse

The last official number I saw had them online till 2021/2022. Some are (or at least had been in 2012) still on finance to bank of Brazil and the bankruptcy filing had the hulls until 2021/2022 and merger filings and recent fleet plans have all mirrored the above. Like the Saabs AAG owns the frames, the 135s sold easily, the 140s don't seem as easy to sell, I think this has played a role in the consistent delay retiring the 140s. The 145s I'd assume the same, it will be the MX costs that put them out of service.

Bassman1985

That was Squints, bro...

Milksheikh

I know that domicile placement/equipment is based on seniority (age or SS#) but I have a question. Lets say you need DFW as a base but are awarded either LGA or ORD and cannot move there. If you defered to the next class do you get to pick first? or is it another crapshoot all over again? Could you ask the company to hold off placing you in class until you could for sure get your base of choice? It probably seems like a dumb question but Ive looked everywhere and can't find an answer. Thanks!

Machwon

No, you can walk out in hopes they let you in the next class, but that won't happen. You will be sitting in the back of an 80 wondering what in the world did you just do.

Purpleanga

No they do not help you at all with that anymore. I think your best bet is to wait until they fill bases. Right now it seems like mostly LGA unless you're 40. Honestly I think what they're doing is stupid. They should at least get an idea where people want to go so they don't lose out on applicants.

TeeRainPULup

It's a gamble every time you start class. Seniority is by age at Envoy not by SS#. If your under 40 plan on either LGA or ORD in the 145. You can probably get back to DFW pretty quick on the 145.

Antoine137

First day, hopefully you can get DFW, but if not, pick the 145 so you can transfer later. The sooner your class date, probably the more likely you will get DFW when the next vacancy comes out. The most recent vacancy awards (Jan 14) put everyone that wanted DFW there, including the 2nd from the bottom guy on the seniority list (Dec 19th new hire). That means, if you get on right now, you should hopefully be one of the most senior new hires when the next vacancy rolls around. If there are DFW FO spots, you will be one of the first to get it. There is a rumor that vacancies will be coming out every 3 months this year, which means you could get DFW before training ends. I don't know what to tell you though, if there are not DFW FO slots on the next vacancy. Also not sure how long it takes for the transfer to happen either. Just trying to give as much helpful info as I can.

Milksheikh

Thanks for the replies guys. Some great info there. I'm still a ways off from applying but just trying to get an idea of what to expect. At least it's better now that first year FO's are making near 60k as opposed to around 25k. I was at first surprised there wasn't some sort of cost of living adjustment or increase to be based in NY or some other expensive area as a first year FO. Now the recent pay increase at least indirectly addresses that. Also it was mentioned that unless you're about 40 or so you probably wouldn't get your first option.. I figured most (like 90%+) new hires would be just graduating college so in their mid 20's... Are there a lot of 40+ aged new hires in every class? Just curious..

Aviatrx

There are many finally able to make the jump to 121 from other aviation jobs now that the money and career progression is there hopefully. I've met a lot that have lateraled regionals, former 135, retired military, helo guys. Some left there aviation job for a desk job, and have a flying addiction. Definitely not all CFI types like in the past.

ORDinary

This. A training department guy told there are a lot of people coming from other regionals.