ORDinary

Did you reach this conclusion with the same logic as when you thought envoy lifers taking flow spots from more junior captains would result in quicker upgrades here?

highflyer1980

LOL. It's funny because I remember him saying that!


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highflyer1980

Yep. And guess where those guys are? On another forum, trying to suede and bend the minds of the conscious into thinking we should be top-notch happy and grateful for such a gracious commodity of flow, Flow, FLOW!!! Trying to convince the delusion of flow in less than 5 years. It grinds my gears that they spew lies like that. A new hire today will never flow in 5 years unless management does more than what's required per the CBA. Even Pool himself stated that the CBA allows AA and Envoy to flow more pilots than what's written.


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Jersdawg

AA has wanted to take more flows from us, but guess who put the kibosh on that? Our management! Why? Because they want to grow the airline. It requires more staffing. It makes our mgmt team look better at the expense of the pilot group.

TeeRainPULup

If they wanted to take more flows and management won't let them, then they should start hiring envoy pilots off the street.

SilentLurker

Haha! A subsidiary can choose not to listen to its parent company without ramifications? Ok.

Is AAG directing / influencing its WO to either grow or shrinkage? Most likely

Is AAG sending conflicting signals to Envoy management leadership/operations? Not likely.


Envoy's does not operate independently from what AAG wants from it. Envoy management does the bidding of AAG management, obviously within the CBA structure of employee union groups to the best of its ability to reduce costs and increase profits.

Trust that AAG's needs are what Envoy Mgmt portrays. AAG can mention something publicly on what they want from Envoy... but that is only public lip service to keep people happy & quiet. Someone has to take the finger blame. (The subsidiary of Envoy Management, not the leadership of AAG).

Please don't fool us.... whatever AAG truly wants from Envoy it gets. Same as from PSA & Piedmont.

HeliHooker

When does the initial MIA bid close? I thought it was relatively soon.

DilsonWic

Rumor is the 18th.

Pcruz28

Closed Saturday, and the preliminary bid runs tomorrow.

ORDinary

That's funny, because claiming they want 40/mo and then not letting us have it just makes people frustrated, not happy and quiet.