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12-31-2017 | 06:01 PM
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Question about the upcoming vacancy/displacement bid.
Hypothetically, I'm a MIA CRJ FO. I just flew my 1000th hour of qualifying time to upgrade, but I don't want to upgrade just yet. But if I do HAVE to upgrade, my preference is to stay in my comfort zone of MIA CRJ.
The initial bid starts at the top and works through all the FOs who WANT to upgrade. They get to the bottom and still have 50 more seats to fill, half LGA EMJ and half ORD EMJ. So now they count from the bottom of the 50 qualified FOs. I am 45 from the bottom, 5 from the top, so I now HAVE to upgrade. But there are only EMJs left, which was not on my displacement. Since not very many FOs WANTED the treasured MIA CRJ, they made it way down the seniority list on the FIRST bid, much lower than my number before they ran out.
So my question is this: Does the person with less seniority get my seat because they run the "I want to" before the "only if I have to" displacement?
Hypothetically, I'm a MIA CRJ FO. I just flew my 1000th hour of qualifying time to upgrade, but I don't want to upgrade just yet. But if I do HAVE to upgrade, my preference is to stay in my comfort zone of MIA CRJ.
The initial bid starts at the top and works through all the FOs who WANT to upgrade. They get to the bottom and still have 50 more seats to fill, half LGA EMJ and half ORD EMJ. So now they count from the bottom of the 50 qualified FOs. I am 45 from the bottom, 5 from the top, so I now HAVE to upgrade. But there are only EMJs left, which was not on my displacement. Since not very many FOs WANTED the treasured MIA CRJ, they made it way down the seniority list on the FIRST bid, much lower than my number before they ran out.
So my question is this: Does the person with less seniority get my seat because they run the "I want to" before the "only if I have to" displacement?
12-31-2017 | 06:26 PM
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Hypothetically! I know it doesn't exist. That is why I used it. Say it is ORD CRJ if it makes you feel better. The specific aircraft doesn't change the logic of question: Does the person with less seniority get my seat because they run the "I want to" before the "only if I have to" displacement?
12-31-2017 | 06:53 PM
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Hypothetically! I know it doesn't exist. That is why I used it. Say it is ORD CRJ if it makes you feel better. The specific aircraft doesn't change the logic of question: Does the person with less seniority get my seat because they run the "I want to" before the "only if I have to" displacement?
01-01-2018 | 04:38 AM
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Are you sure about that? He should displace into whatever his seniority can hold, regardless of what the preference bids look like. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in this hypothetical situation they will run the preference bids first, then run the displacements. At which point the senior guy that gets displaced would bump out a junior guy that was just awarded on the preference bid.
01-01-2018 | 05:03 AM
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01-01-2018 | 05:39 AM
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Are you sure about that? He should displace into whatever his seniority can hold, regardless of what the preference bids look like. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in this hypothetical situation they will run the preference bids first, then run the displacements. At which point the senior guy that gets displaced would bump out a junior guy that was just awarded on the preference bid.
I've talked to the union about this and I was told that first they will run the vacancy. After that they will see how many unfilled seats there are. They will then see if there are any guys that put a preference to displace in for any of those unfilled seats. Then do the inverse seniority displacement to fill the rest of those unfilled seats. I was told they only look at the unfilled seats when they are doing the displacement.
I'm a senior FO myself who would like to remain an FO. The union told me they believe the top 50 FOs will be safe in this displacement but my numbers tell me otherwise. Because of the way this displacement works, I'm being forced to bid for the vacancy because I don't want to change planes or base.
I feel bad for all the really senior FOs. If this gets all the way up to them, they won't want to bid the vacancy because of the 1 year seat lock for flow. It's possible they could be forced to a different plane or base.
01-01-2018 | 05:43 AM
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My understanding is that that senior FO in his scenario would not be able to hold the CRJ.
I've talked to the union about this and I was told that first they will run the vacancy. After that they will see how many unfilled seats there are. They will then see if there are any guys that put a preference to displace in for any of those unfilled seats. Then do the inverse seniority displacement to fill the rest of those unfilled seats. I was told they only look at the unfilled seats when they are doing the displacement.
I'm a senior FO myself who would like to remain an FO. The union told me they believe the top 50 FOs will be safe in this displacement but my numbers tell me otherwise. Because of the way this displacement works, I'm being forced to bid for the vacancy because I don't want to change planes or base.
I feel bad for all the really senior FOs. If this gets all the way up to them, they won't want to bid the vacancy because of the 1 year seat lock for flow. It's possible they could be forced to a different plane or base.
I've talked to the union about this and I was told that first they will run the vacancy. After that they will see how many unfilled seats there are. They will then see if there are any guys that put a preference to displace in for any of those unfilled seats. Then do the inverse seniority displacement to fill the rest of those unfilled seats. I was told they only look at the unfilled seats when they are doing the displacement.
I'm a senior FO myself who would like to remain an FO. The union told me they believe the top 50 FOs will be safe in this displacement but my numbers tell me otherwise. Because of the way this displacement works, I'm being forced to bid for the vacancy because I don't want to change planes or base.
I feel bad for all the really senior FOs. If this gets all the way up to them, they won't want to bid the vacancy because of the 1 year seat lock for flow. It's possible they could be forced to a different plane or base.
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