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01-23-2018, 06:00 PM

#6851

mketch11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro4President

There are very easy ways to get around going to upgrade training if you really don't want to go. Senior FOs, if they wanted to, could never upgrade and spend a perpetual cycle of senior FO and training department. Using vacation to block the start of training, bidding back to FO and then displacing to a different equipment for a new long term cycle. I'm not sure why more FOs aren't using the contract to push back against this.

I concur. The company has no problem using the contract to stick it to the pilots. Sub 1000hr 121 guy bidding reserve next month, doing my part.

01-23-2018, 06:13 PM

#6852

ENH017

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I'm confused about a portion of the latest MEC Newsblast:

Quote:

First Officer Retention Payment

The latest FO retention Bonus Window for pilots hired prior to 6/30/2016 ran from September 1 – November 30, 2017.

The FO Retention Bonus Payment for this window was required to be made no later than December 25, 2017. Your last eligibility period runs 12/1/17-2/28/18, with your last retention bonus payment coming around 3/25/18
If you were hired after 6/30/2016, you must have completed probation (12 months) prior to 12/1/17 to be eligible for this most recent period. If you complete probation between 12/1/17 and 2/28/18 you won't be eligible until the next period starts on 3/1/18.

Reminder: you are eligible for all 8 retention payments upon completion of your probationary period (one year of service).

What exactly does that last sentence mean, that if you complete probation that you are eligible for the next 8 retention bonus windows?

Also, when are the FO retention bonuses due to expire? As I understood it was at the beginning of this year but obviously I am mistaken.

Last edited by ENH017; 01-23-2018 at 06:32 PM.

01-23-2018, 06:15 PM

#6853

Pedro4President

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ENH017

I'm confused about a portion of the latest MEC Newsblast:

What exactly does that last sentence mean, that if you complete probation that you are eligible for the next 8 retention bonus windows?

Also, when are the FO retention bonuses due to expire, as I understood it was at the beginning of this year, but obviously I am mistaken.

It means you are grandfathered in. If they cancel the retention bonus you still get the rest of the payments.

01-23-2018, 07:34 PM

#6854

Subpilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro4President

Or even easier, just get a second class medical.

01-23-2018, 08:03 PM

#6855

Jersdawg

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Subpilot

Or even easier, just get a second class medical.

Except FM1 3.8.B says you have to have a first class medical before starting captain training. Violating FM1 isn't a good way to get around going to captain training - it's a good way to get fired.

01-24-2018, 04:06 AM

#6856

babs

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mketch11

For all those who were forced to upgrade, don’t forget to volunteer for a complimentary training freeze...

Doesn’t this only apply to CAs that were displaced?

01-24-2018, 04:27 AM

#6857

Pedro4President

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Originally Posted by babs

Doesn’t this only apply to CAs that were displaced?

Yes it does. His use of the word "forced" in his post is an indicator that he was talking about displaced pilots.

01-24-2018, 06:18 AM

#6858

DanRoman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro4President

Yes it does. His use of the word "forced" in his post is an indicator that he was talking about displaced pilots.

I think what Babs was saying is that it applies to CA’s displaced and not FO’s displaced to CA. Which, according to the contract/MEC email appears to be true.

01-24-2018, 07:35 AM

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Pedro4President

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Originally Posted by DanRoman

I think what Babs was saying is that it applies to CA’s displaced and not FO’s displaced to CA. Which, according to the contract/MEC email appears to be true.

You may be right on both accounts. I had no clue we had something like this in our contract.

01-24-2018, 08:40 AM

#6860

copycopy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro4President

You may be right on both accounts. I had no clue we had something like this in our contract.

It's a part of the domicile procedures LOA. Per the language it does only specify captains that are displaced, not FOs 15.G.4'd to Captain, from what I understand.