Originally Posted by OldBiff

Snappy rejoinder. You clearly lack perspective.
I hear a lot about QOL but never any specifics. I get that not working 18 days a month is great, but that like a hobby not a job. Any “real” job and certainly an Army schedule are much more difficult than our contract minimum. Unless someone uploades a bid packet from another regional that has hundreds of 18 day off lines that a new FO/CA could conceivably hold it’s just people finding something to ***** about. Hell there are 15 day off lines with every overnight in station at Envoy, but a guy that doesn’t even have a seniority number yet shouldn’t use those to make a decision. There are plenty of dudes who like to whine in the service which OP would be used to dealing with.

You need a 1000 hrs of 121 time to upgrade. That’s roughly 2 years on property. Are you still a new FO after 2 years? If you’re not ready to upgrade after 2 years you should probably find another career, I hear Khol’s is hiring. Military guys can only apply 500 hours of thier ME FW PIC time most of whom have many more PIC hours in an indescribably more complex environment than a 121 operation. Basically 121 ain’t **** compared to bad guy country or being the master of your own domain taking a transport aircraft all over the globe. Everyone who gets an upgrade bid meets these qualifications. Of course a FO who’s been on property with 200 of the required 1000 hrs wouldn’t be “ready” they’ve got time to figure it out.
But hey don’t let me stand in your way while you fellate yourself on how different the ops are here.

Originally Posted by Montcalm

Thanks for the broad range of inputs. It helps putting things in perspective.

For the record, I'm not military. But I spent the year bush flying in a warzone (Eastern Congo), sleeping under a tent in the jungle, eating **** and getting shot at daily. So yeah, when I read about bad QOL, I take it with a grain of salt. (e.g. 15 vs 18 days off per month... Don't think I even had that many days off in 6 months!).

EDV claims that FO first and second year rates are $50 and $59+ per hour. What's it like at Envoy?

Also, how many hours can a LGA based FO credit on average? I intend to pickup as much OT as I can... Just trying to figure what my paycheck would look like. NYC ain't cheap.

Originally Posted by new guy

Go to the non-forum portion of this site. It list off each regionals pay, 401k matching policy, etc.

Originally Posted by Montcalm

Thanks, I was just hoping the numbers were not accurate...

So we're effectively looking at a $12/hour difference the first year and $19/hour the second. That's pretty ridiculous.

Originally Posted by new guy

Here's the thing puddin', I'm not sure how long you've been looking at all these regionals but endeavor JUST increased to those crazy awesome numbers in early December. Hasn't even been a month yet for the others to respond. Give'em a bit.

Originally Posted by Montcalm

Thanks for the broad range of inputs. It helps putting things in perspective.

For the record, I'm not military. But I spent the year bush flying in a warzone (Eastern Congo), sleeping under a tent in the jungle, eating **** and getting shot at daily. So yeah, when I read about bad QOL, I take it with a grain of salt. (e.g. 15 vs 18 days off per month... Don't think I even had that many days off in 6 months!).

EDV claims that FO first and second year rates are $50 and $59+ per hour. What's it like at Envoy?

Also, how many hours can a LGA based FO credit on average? I intend to pickup as much OT as I can... Just trying to figure what my paycheck would look like. NYC ain't cheap.

Originally Posted by OldBiff

Regionals are all about location, location, location. You’re an RTP dude that wants to be in NYC Envoy is the place to be for a few reasons.
- Never commute to a regional.
- NYC seniority is low so a line will come quickly which is important since you’ll be here for a few years getting hours.
- There is a flow, not just a preferential interview. Between your battle buddies, networking, and the penchant for military dudes at airlines you’ll likely get a “preffered” interview anyway before your flow date.

We’ve chewed some of the same dirt so I’m going to give it to you straight: Disregard most of what you read here on QOL, “lies” aka the wording in the contract, and the like. You’re used to much, much worse in all regards. I’ve also yet to actually speak to someone who was “afraid” to upgrade, but lots of Senior FOs that likes bidding reserve, chilling at home, flying occasionally, and getting the lines they want. I’m by no means a company guy, but some of these folks are just candy asses. Interview everywhere just for practice, make the best decision for you.

Originally Posted by inevitableneb

Ummmmm the biggest complainers at envoy are always military guys, b******* because the company isn't holding their hand enough.

Originally Posted by Montcalm

Thanks, I was just hoping the numbers were not accurate...

So we're effectively looking at a $12/hour difference the first year and $19/hour the second. That's pretty ridiculous.