Envoy
12-27-2017, 04:18 PM
#6351
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Position: RW instructor pilot and Maintenance test pilot
Posts: 177
Originally Posted by Montcalm
Thanks for the broad range of inputs. It helps putting things in perspective.
For the record, I'm not military. But I spent the year bush flying in a warzone (Eastern Congo), sleeping under a tent in the jungle, eating **** and getting shot at daily. So yeah, when I read about bad QOL, I take it with a grain of salt. (e.g. 15 vs 18 days off per month... Don't think I even had that many days off in 6 months!).
EDV claims that FO first and second year rates are $50 and $59+ per hour. What's it like at Envoy?
Also, how many hours can a LGA based FO credit on average? I intend to pickup as much OT as I can... Just trying to figure what my paycheck would look like. NYC ain't cheap.
For the record, I'm not military. But I spent the year bush flying in a warzone (Eastern Congo), sleeping under a tent in the jungle, eating **** and getting shot at daily. So yeah, when I read about bad QOL, I take it with a grain of salt. (e.g. 15 vs 18 days off per month... Don't think I even had that many days off in 6 months!).
EDV claims that FO first and second year rates are $50 and $59+ per hour. What's it like at Envoy?
Also, how many hours can a LGA based FO credit on average? I intend to pickup as much OT as I can... Just trying to figure what my paycheck would look like. NYC ain't cheap.
12-27-2017, 04:27 PM
#6352
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 185
Originally Posted by new guy
Go to the non-forum portion of this site. It list off each regionals pay, 401k matching policy, etc.
So we're effectively looking at a $12/hour difference the first year and $19/hour the second. That's pretty ridiculous.
12-27-2017, 04:29 PM
#6353
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Position: RW instructor pilot and Maintenance test pilot
Posts: 177
Originally Posted by Montcalm
Thanks, I was just hoping the numbers were not accurate...
So we're effectively looking at a $12/hour difference the first year and $19/hour the second. That's pretty ridiculous.
So we're effectively looking at a $12/hour difference the first year and $19/hour the second. That's pretty ridiculous.
12-27-2017, 04:42 PM
#6354
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 185
Originally Posted by new guy
Here's the thing puddin', I'm not sure how long you've been looking at all these regionals but endeavor JUST increased to those crazy awesome numbers in early December. Hasn't even been a month yet for the others to respond. Give'em a bit.
12-27-2017, 05:01 PM
#6355
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 190
Originally Posted by Montcalm
Thanks for the broad range of inputs. It helps putting things in perspective.
For the record, I'm not military. But I spent the year bush flying in a warzone (Eastern Congo), sleeping under a tent in the jungle, eating **** and getting shot at daily. So yeah, when I read about bad QOL, I take it with a grain of salt. (e.g. 15 vs 18 days off per month... Don't think I even had that many days off in 6 months!).
EDV claims that FO first and second year rates are $50 and $59+ per hour. What's it like at Envoy?
Also, how many hours can a LGA based FO credit on average? I intend to pickup as much OT as I can... Just trying to figure what my paycheck would look like. NYC ain't cheap.
For the record, I'm not military. But I spent the year bush flying in a warzone (Eastern Congo), sleeping under a tent in the jungle, eating **** and getting shot at daily. So yeah, when I read about bad QOL, I take it with a grain of salt. (e.g. 15 vs 18 days off per month... Don't think I even had that many days off in 6 months!).
EDV claims that FO first and second year rates are $50 and $59+ per hour. What's it like at Envoy?
Also, how many hours can a LGA based FO credit on average? I intend to pickup as much OT as I can... Just trying to figure what my paycheck would look like. NYC ain't cheap.
12-27-2017, 05:05 PM
#6356
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 190
Originally Posted by OldBiff
Regionals are all about location, location, location. You’re an RTP dude that wants to be in NYC Envoy is the place to be for a few reasons.
- Never commute to a regional.
- NYC seniority is low so a line will come quickly which is important since you’ll be here for a few years getting hours.
- There is a flow, not just a preferential interview. Between your battle buddies, networking, and the penchant for military dudes at airlines you’ll likely get a “preffered” interview anyway before your flow date.
We’ve chewed some of the same dirt so I’m going to give it to you straight: Disregard most of what you read here on QOL, “lies” aka the wording in the contract, and the like. You’re used to much, much worse in all regards. I’ve also yet to actually speak to someone who was “afraid” to upgrade, but lots of Senior FOs that likes bidding reserve, chilling at home, flying occasionally, and getting the lines they want. I’m by no means a company guy, but some of these folks are just candy asses. Interview everywhere just for practice, make the best decision for you.
- Never commute to a regional.
- NYC seniority is low so a line will come quickly which is important since you’ll be here for a few years getting hours.
- There is a flow, not just a preferential interview. Between your battle buddies, networking, and the penchant for military dudes at airlines you’ll likely get a “preffered” interview anyway before your flow date.
We’ve chewed some of the same dirt so I’m going to give it to you straight: Disregard most of what you read here on QOL, “lies” aka the wording in the contract, and the like. You’re used to much, much worse in all regards. I’ve also yet to actually speak to someone who was “afraid” to upgrade, but lots of Senior FOs that likes bidding reserve, chilling at home, flying occasionally, and getting the lines they want. I’m by no means a company guy, but some of these folks are just candy asses. Interview everywhere just for practice, make the best decision for you.
12-27-2017, 07:32 PM
#6358
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 300
Originally Posted by Montcalm
Thanks, I was just hoping the numbers were not accurate...
So we're effectively looking at a $12/hour difference the first year and $19/hour the second. That's pretty ridiculous.
So we're effectively looking at a $12/hour difference the first year and $19/hour the second. That's pretty ridiculous.
Just because "it could be worse" doesn't mean we should settle for sub-standard QOL and pay. If that's what one prefers, there are plenty of non-union fly-by-night employers who would gladly hire such an employee.
In my opinion, it's healthier to avoid the Kool Aid.
These are my personal opinions, and not those of any other entity or employer.
12-27-2017, 07:37 PM
#6359
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 300
Originally Posted by new guy
Here's the thing puddin', I'm not sure how long you've been looking at all these regionals but ******** JUST increased to those crazy awesome numbers in early December. Hasn't even been a month yet for the others to respond. Give'em a bit.
These are my personal opinions, and not those of any other entity or employer.
12-27-2017, 08:15 PM
#6360
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Position: RW instructor pilot and Maintenance test pilot
Posts: 177
Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi
In my opinion, it's somewhat naive to believe the nonsense that "pay raises are just around the corner." A quick look at history shows that punishment and concessions happen immediately, while improvements are painfully slow, and normally don't happen at all.
These are my personal opinions, and not those of any other entity or employer.
These are my personal opinions, and not those of any other entity or employer.
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