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04-11-2018, 08:38 PM

#7851

A150K

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Originally Posted by flysooner9

Just got harder for Envoy to recruit DEC’s. Piedmont is now offering the same package except no LGA and faster flow.

Philly still isn't desirable for a lot of the guys who hate the idea of LGA.

04-11-2018, 08:47 PM

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highfarfast

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Originally Posted by Whiskey4

So, you believe that every person ahead of you on the interactive seniority list will stick around Envoy and flow? Because that’s what that document shows. It assigns a number with an associated flow date to every single pilot on the list (including those on SLOA, MLOA, special assignment, management, etc.)

I’ve flown with older new hires here who have indicated that they don’t xpect to flow...just want to get to DFW and hang around at the top of Envoy’s CA list until retirement. Lost of those hired after the big bonuses kicked in.

It’s just odd that pilots are supposed to be critical thinkers, yet they take a lost showing zero attrition outside the flow and call it the gospel.

The UNION’s projection includes every single pilot will stick around and flow says nine years for a new hire. It also assumes that AA hires enough in every single month to take our minimum flows (25/mo now, less later) which never actually happens. Traditionally none in December for one. There were also 1 or 2 other months last year where AA did not hire and no one flowed.

So far, the Union’s projections have been conservative... everytime I’ve bothered to look at an update, my flow date is futher out from my hire date than what is was before. So far, these things you’re pointing out are not enough of a factor to offest the hiring lulls. And while things may change, it’s a bit disingenuous to be telling new hires 5.5 years right now.

04-11-2018, 08:52 PM

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flysooner9

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Originally Posted by A150K

Philly still isn't desirable for a lot of the guys who hate the idea of LGA.

Better then LGA probably

04-11-2018, 09:44 PM

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EmbaeDriver

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Any hope with those displacements?

04-12-2018, 09:10 AM

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GCPhoenix

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Would 2 sick calls on the first 5 months of probation be considered excessive?

04-12-2018, 09:14 AM

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bigtime209

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Originally Posted by GCPhoenix

Would 2 sick calls on the first 5 months of probation be considered excessive?

Just make sure to have a note and clear both of them in the CPO. Shouldn't be a huge deal if you do both.

04-12-2018, 09:17 AM

#7857

LineUpAndPay

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Originally Posted by GCPhoenix

Would 2 sick calls on the first 5 months of probation be considered excessive?

I'd be careful. I just heard a rumor a number of probationary FO's were just let go after failing their probbie ride. Don't know how true that is, but it is in line with them being fat on FO's. If your HI10 doesn't look pretty decent and you have an issue on your ride, might have some issues. But then again, I have no clue how true that rumor is. I heard it from my father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.

04-12-2018, 09:20 AM

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Smutter

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Originally Posted by GCPhoenix

Would 2 sick calls on the first 5 months of probation be considered excessive?

They have no problem with 2 sick calls

04-12-2018, 09:20 AM

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EmbaeDriver

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Originally Posted by GCPhoenix

Would 2 sick calls on the first 5 months of probation be considered excessive?

I did 2 sick calls in the same month, no big deal. I think it depends on your chief pilot and your proof that you were basically dying.

04-12-2018, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bigtime209

Just make sure to have a note and clear both of them in the CPO. Shouldn't be a huge deal if you do both.

Question: if we can self clear why do we have to bring a note or do anything but sign in FFD for he next trip? This “clearing sick” BS just sounds like intimidation. Not to mention if I have sick time to cover the trip, isn’t that what it’s for?
The language in the FM1 and the contract is the same.