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02-09-2018 | 03:56 PM
#7092
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From: Pawn
So the public website that outlines the program and rules are not for public consumption and new hires shouldn’t go their for definitive clarity? Just trying to clarify what John Q Public is free to read.
02-09-2018 | 04:01 PM
#7093
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If you know what the letters KCM stand for (they're placed on blue signs at the security checkpoints of every major airport) you can find this website:
FAQ ? KNOWN CREWMEMBER
Be lets pretend its a secret and not answer some basic questions, I guess.
FAQ ? KNOWN CREWMEMBER
Be lets pretend its a secret and not answer some basic questions, I guess.
02-09-2018 | 04:53 PM
#7094
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Joined: Nov 2016
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If you know what the letters KCM stand for (they're placed on blue signs at the security checkpoints of every major airport) you can find this website:
FAQ ? KNOWN CREWMEMBER
Be lets pretend its a secret and not answer some basic questions, I guess.
FAQ ? KNOWN CREWMEMBER
Be lets pretend its a secret and not answer some basic questions, I guess.
OK...
02-09-2018 | 05:01 PM
#7095
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There are very good reasons for the info not being found on KCM, forums, and websites.
Sensitive questions you need/should be asking your CA’s in flight, your classmates, Q&A during Indoc, ground school, Sim Instructor, IOE flights, line Captains during cruise flight, Crew room... speak with a CA, FA, FO you recognize, go to the CPO/Inflight Office and ask them. Everyone plays a role in protecting SSI that could be used to cause harm. Bad folks do fish through online forums like this.
Note to MODERATOR: please edit inappropriate responses.
Sensitive questions you need/should be asking your CA’s in flight, your classmates, Q&A during Indoc, ground school, Sim Instructor, IOE flights, line Captains during cruise flight, Crew room... speak with a CA, FA, FO you recognize, go to the CPO/Inflight Office and ask them. Everyone plays a role in protecting SSI that could be used to cause harm. Bad folks do fish through online forums like this.
Note to MODERATOR: please edit inappropriate responses.
I don’t think it is any secret that KCM allows us to bring full size stuff through. Quick google search will provide far more information than that.
02-09-2018 | 05:53 PM
#7096
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From: FO
Envoy
Nothing dramatic about being cautious in such a high risk security profession, and a question is asked which I consider “Need to Know”
If he/she needed to know they would. Various steps in the process to get KCM, and while utilizing KCM should have answered his/her questions.
Point is, hey fellas be careful how you response to security questions on a public forum even if it’s publicly “available” searchable knowledge. Period. Let them find it then.
Knowing how much of a target we are, and how the enemy does hack, and they do a lot fishing for information and weaknesses utilizing public forums like this one. Is growing issue. Lack of security conscious new to 121 pilots. Quick question, quick answer forum. The enemy is always looking for easy quick information and weaknesses in our system.
I’m a little more cautious, and follow then general “need to know basis” rule of thumb. If he/she needs to know they would. Not via forum when it comes to various sensitive topics and security questions.
Poster could easily talk to Classmates, CA’s, Training Department/Instructors, Envoy employees during Indoc class, if on the line Crew Room, TSA agents while commuting at the KCM checkpoints. Not via a anonymous username forum. Just my honest opinion of borderline sensitive information or sensitive topic, and I think it’s ok to raise a red flag & question it.
Last edited by SilentLurker; 02-09-2018 at 06:06 PM.
02-09-2018 | 08:27 PM
#7097
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Joined: Feb 2018
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Nothing dramatic about being cautious in such a high risk security profession, and a question is asked which I consider “Need to Know”
If he/she needed to know they would. Various steps in the process to get KCM, and while utilizing KCM should have answered his/her questions.
Point is, hey fellas be careful how you response to security questions on a public forum even if it’s publicly “available” searchable knowledge. Period. Let them find it then.
Knowing how much of a target we are, and how the enemy does hack, and they do a lot fishing for information and weaknesses utilizing public forums like this one. Is growing issue. Lack of security conscious new to 121 pilots. Quick question, quick answer forum. The enemy is always looking for easy quick information and weaknesses in our system.
I’m a little more cautious, and follow then general “need to know basis” rule of thumb. If he/she needs to know they would. Not via forum when it comes to various sensitive topics and security questions.
Poster could easily talk to Classmates, CA’s, Training Department/Instructors, Envoy employees during Indoc class, if on the line Crew Room, TSA agents while commuting at the KCM checkpoints. Not via a anonymous username forum. Just my honest opinion of borderline sensitive information or sensitive topic, and I think it’s ok to raise a red flag & question it.
If he/she needed to know they would. Various steps in the process to get KCM, and while utilizing KCM should have answered his/her questions.
Point is, hey fellas be careful how you response to security questions on a public forum even if it’s publicly “available” searchable knowledge. Period. Let them find it then.
Knowing how much of a target we are, and how the enemy does hack, and they do a lot fishing for information and weaknesses utilizing public forums like this one. Is growing issue. Lack of security conscious new to 121 pilots. Quick question, quick answer forum. The enemy is always looking for easy quick information and weaknesses in our system.
I’m a little more cautious, and follow then general “need to know basis” rule of thumb. If he/she needs to know they would. Not via forum when it comes to various sensitive topics and security questions.
Poster could easily talk to Classmates, CA’s, Training Department/Instructors, Envoy employees during Indoc class, if on the line Crew Room, TSA agents while commuting at the KCM checkpoints. Not via a anonymous username forum. Just my honest opinion of borderline sensitive information or sensitive topic, and I think it’s ok to raise a red flag & question it.
02-10-2018 | 06:10 AM
#7099
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Joined: Feb 2017
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Nothing dramatic about being cautious in such a high risk security profession, and a question is asked which I consider “Need to Know”
If he/she needed to know they would. Various steps in the process to get KCM, and while utilizing KCM should have answered his/her questions.
Point is, hey fellas be careful how you response to security questions on a public forum even if it’s publicly “available” searchable knowledge. Period. Let them find it then.
Knowing how much of a target we are, and how the enemy does hack, and they do a lot fishing for information and weaknesses utilizing public forums like this one. Is growing issue. Lack of security conscious new to 121 pilots. Quick question, quick answer forum. The enemy is always looking for easy quick information and weaknesses in our system.
I’m a little more cautious, and follow then general “need to know basis” rule of thumb. If he/she needs to know they would. Not via forum when it comes to various sensitive topics and security questions.
Poster could easily talk to Classmates, CA’s, Training Department/Instructors, Envoy employees during Indoc class, if on the line Crew Room, TSA agents while commuting at the KCM checkpoints. Not via a anonymous username forum. Just my honest opinion of borderline sensitive information or sensitive topic, and I think it’s ok to raise a red flag & question it.
If he/she needed to know they would. Various steps in the process to get KCM, and while utilizing KCM should have answered his/her questions.
Point is, hey fellas be careful how you response to security questions on a public forum even if it’s publicly “available” searchable knowledge. Period. Let them find it then.
Knowing how much of a target we are, and how the enemy does hack, and they do a lot fishing for information and weaknesses utilizing public forums like this one. Is growing issue. Lack of security conscious new to 121 pilots. Quick question, quick answer forum. The enemy is always looking for easy quick information and weaknesses in our system.
I’m a little more cautious, and follow then general “need to know basis” rule of thumb. If he/she needs to know they would. Not via forum when it comes to various sensitive topics and security questions.
Poster could easily talk to Classmates, CA’s, Training Department/Instructors, Envoy employees during Indoc class, if on the line Crew Room, TSA agents while commuting at the KCM checkpoints. Not via a anonymous username forum. Just my honest opinion of borderline sensitive information or sensitive topic, and I think it’s ok to raise a red flag & question it.
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